Eurogenes K13

**~~Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik~~** · 04-03-2015, 08:26 PM

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 47.22
2 Baltic 26.55
3 West_Med 11.01
4 West_Asian 10.79
5 East_Med 1.93
6 Oceanian 0.64
7 Siberian 0.62
8 Northeast_African 0.6
9 Red_Sea 0.47
10 Amerindian 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_German 4.16
2 North_Dutch 5.26
3 Danish 5.56
4 Norwegian 6.14
5 Irish 6.57
6 Swedish 6.7
7 Orcadian 6.77
8 West_Scottish 7.65
9 Southeast_English 7.92
10 Southwest_English 8.57
11 South_Dutch 8.91
12 West_German 9.05
13 Austrian 11.62
14 East_German 11.92
15 North_Swedish 11.96
16 French 14.92
17 Hungarian 15.79
18 Southwest_Finnish 19.36
19 South_Polish 20.55
20 Croatian 20.79

**~~Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik~~** · 04-03-2015, 08:34 PM

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90% Norwegian + 10% Ossetian @ 2.23
2 90.1% Norwegian + 9.9% North_Ossetian @ 2.35
3 91.1% Norwegian + 8.9% Georgian @ 2.37
4 91.4% Norwegian + 8.6% Abhkasian @ 2.37
5 89.8% Norwegian + 10.2% Balkar @ 2.42
6 89.5% Norwegian + 10.5% Kabardin @ 2.42
7 90% Norwegian + 10% Adygei @ 2.44
8 89.3% Norwegian + 10.7% Chechen @ 2.5
9 91.2% North_Dutch + 8.8% Chechen @ 2.68
10 91.9% North_Dutch + 8.1% North_Ossetian @ 2.72
11 91% North_Dutch + 9% Tabassaran @ 2.72
12 89.6% Norwegian + 10.4% Lezgin @ 2.73
13 91.5% North_Dutch + 8.5% Kabardin @ 2.74
14 89.2% Norwegian + 10.8% Tabassaran @ 2.75
15 89.7% Norwegian + 10.3% Kumyk @ 2.79
16 91.4% North_Dutch + 8.6% Lezgin @ 2.8
17 92.1% North_Dutch + 7.9% Ossetian @ 2.86
18 91.8% North_Dutch + 8.2% Balkar @ 2.87
19 92% North_Dutch + 8% Adygei @ 2.9
20 93.5% North_Dutch + 6.5% Abhkasian @ 3.14

**Grace O'Malley** · 04-07-2015, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley

Mine

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 52.04
2 Baltic 25.27
3 West_Med 9.81
4 West_Asian 7.25
5 East_Med 1.77
6 Red_Sea 1.5
7 Amerindian 1.38
8 Siberian 0.75
9 Oceanian 0.24

Brother

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 51.51
2 Baltic 24.22
3 West_Med 12.51
4 West_Asian 8.6
5 South_Asian 1.63
6 Amerindian 1
7 East_Asian 0.3
8 Sub-Saharan 0.19
9 Red_Sea 0.02
10 East_Med 0.01

Daughter

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 52.45
2 Baltic 21.08
3 West_Med 14.89
4 West_Asian 5.98
5 East_Med 1.74
6 Amerindian 1.42
7 Red_Sea 0.87
8 Siberian 0.6
9 South_Asian 0.57
10 Oceanian 0.38
11 Northeast_African 0.01

I thought I put my K13 population approximation in here before but I can't find it. I've uploaded by FTDNA to Gedmatch and I think some of the countries have sorted a bit differently but it is still similar from what I can remember.

K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 51.71
2 Baltic 25.40
3 West_Med 9.97
4 West_Asian 7.30
5 Red_Sea 1.77
6 East_Med 1.61
7 Amerindian 1.28

Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 North_Dutch @ 3.229219
2 Irish @ 3.414209
3 Norwegian @ 3.969620
4 West_Scottish @ 4.154647
5 Danish @ 4.244350
6 Orcadian @ 4.255836
7 North_German @ 5.967971
8 Southeast_English @ 6.869505
9 Southwest_English @ 6.894413
10 Swedish @ 7.120302
11 South_Dutch @ 11.453406
12 West_German @ 12.494723
13 North_Swedish @ 14.270684
14 Austrian @ 17.248459
15 East_German @ 17.379379
16 French @ 17.922009
17 Hungarian @ 22.268965
18 Southwest_Finnish @ 23.637180
19 Spanish_Cataluna @ 26.201269
20 Southwest_French @ 27.184601

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +50% Norwegian @ 2.484299

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% North_Dutch +25% Norwegian @ 2.481593

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + Norwegian @ 2.481593
2 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Norwegian @ 2.484299
3 Irish + Norwegian + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 2.516863
4 Irish + North_Dutch + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 2.542499
5 Irish + North_German + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 2.579951
6 North_German + Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.591957
7 Norwegian + Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.612724
8 Irish + Irish + North_German + Norwegian @ 2.622498
9 Irish + Irish + Irish + Norwegian @ 2.633069
10 Danish + Irish + Irish + Norwegian @ 2.649204
11 Irish + Irish + Irish + Swedish @ 2.650396
12 Irish + Irish + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 2.662073
13 North_Dutch + Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.664009
14 Irish + North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Norwegian @ 2.674993
15 North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 2.680257
16 Danish + Irish + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 2.693465
17 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + North_Dutch @ 2.712084
18 North_Dutch + Norwegian + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 2.718063
19 Irish + North_Dutch + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 2.736863
20 Irish + North_Dutch + Norwegian + Norwegian @ 2.741791

**Petalpusher** · 04-07-2015, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley

I thought I put my K13 population approximation in here before but I can't find it. I've uploaded by FTDNA to Gedmatch and I think some of the countries have sorted a bit differently but it is still similar from what I can remember.

"Population percentage" seems really close between FTDNA and 23andme, do other Gedmatch differ in any way?

**Grace O'Malley** · 04-10-2015, 07:24 AM

Originally Posted by Petalpusher

"Population percentage" seems really close between FTDNA and 23andme, do other Gedmatch differ in any way?

Not really. There are tiny differences but you will still come out much the same on Gedmatch whether you use 23andme or FTDNA. I've heard that FTDNA use more chromosomes like 23andMe did on the V3 chip.

**gültekin** · 04-28-2015, 02:23 PM

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 24.97
2 East_Med 24.4
3 West_Med 11.34
4 North_Atlantic 10.73
5 Baltic 9.23
6 Siberian 6.11
7 East_Asian 4.58
8 South_Asian 3.2
9 Red_Sea 2.52
10 Amerindian 1.36
11 Oceanian 1.02
12 Northeast_African 0.55

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkish 9.55
2 Azeri 13.18
3 Turkmen 14.74
4 Central_Greek 16.4
5 Kumyk 16.82
6 East_Sicilian 17.32
7 Italian_Abruzzo 17.77
8 Nogay 17.99
9 South_Italian 18.09
10 Ashkenazi 18.79
11 Greek_Thessaly 18.82
12 Kurdish 18.85
13 Iranian 19.55
14 Lebanese_Muslim 19.57
15 Armenian 19.82
16 Georgian_Jewish 19.83
17 Assyrian 20.03
18 Balkar 20.05
19 West_Sicilian 20.46
20 Syrian 20.47

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 52.8% Turkmen + 47.2% Central_Greek @ 3.32
2 54.3% Turkmen + 45.7% East_Sicilian @ 3.86
3 79.2% Turkish + 20.8% Tatar @ 3.86
4 85.5% Turkish + 14.5% La_Brana-1 @ 4.21
5 85.5% Turkish + 14.5% East_Finnish @ 4.49
6 53.6% Nogay + 46.4% Cyprian @ 4.49
7 55.5% Turkmen + 44.5% South_Italian @ 4.5
8 83.3% Turkish + 16.7% Chuvash @ 4.52
9 85.4% Turkish + 14.6% Finnish @ 4.52
10 56.6% Turkmen + 43.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.61
11 85.2% Turkish + 14.8% Southwest_Finnish @ 4.64
12 55.7% Nogay + 44.3% Italian_Jewish @ 4.64
13 56.6% Turkmen + 43.4% Ashkenazi @ 4.67
14 55.1% Turkmen + 44.9% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.69
15 53.9% Nogay + 46.1% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.73
16 84.5% Turkish + 15.5% Kargopol_Russian @ 4.76
17 58.8% Turkmen + 41.2% West_Sicilian @ 4.78
18 84.5% Turkish + 15.5% Mari @ 4.79
19 56.4% Nogay + 43.6% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.85
20 86% Turkish + 14% Estonian @ 4.87

Jägerstaffel · 06-03-2015, 04:20 PM

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance

1 South_Dutch 4.74
2 North_German 5.22
3 West_German 5.42
4 Southeast_English 5.52
5 North_Dutch 6.12
6 Danish 6.13
7 Orcadian 6.3
8 Southwest_English 7.28
9 Irish 7.46
10 Norwegian 7.77
11 Swedish 8.05
12 West_Scottish 8.16
13 Austrian 8.93
14 East_German 9.24
15 French 10.48
16 North_Swedish 12.42
17 Hungarian 13.59
18 Spanish_Cataluna 17.81
19 Spanish_Galicia 18.76
20 Croatian 18.8

**Journeyman26** · 06-03-2015, 04:42 PM

My Greek side gets pulled a bit father Northwest to Thessaly, and my Italian half gets pulled a little Southeast towards Abruzzo.. but otherwise pretty darn accurate.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 27.77
2 West_Med 21.19
3 North_Atlantic 20.96
4 Baltic 13.63
5 West_Asian 12.90
6 Red_Sea 3.26

Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Thessaly @ 4.513858
2 Italian_Abruzzo @ 5.891953
3 Central_Greek @ 6.320520
4 West_Sicilian @ 7.051599
5 East_Sicilian @ 7.660586
6 Tuscan @ 9.315299
7 South_Italian @ 10.285581
8 Ashkenazi @ 10.798239
9 Bulgarian @ 13.487624
10 North_Italian @ 15.562296
11 Romanian @ 15.690452
12 Italian_Jewish @ 16.828476
13 Sephardic_Jewish @ 16.973162
14 Algerian_Jewish @ 17.235138
15 Serbian @ 20.372791
16 Tunisian_Jewish @ 21.519575
17 Libyan_Jewish @ 22.029192
18 Cyprian @ 24.694437
19 Portuguese @ 25.246525
20 Spanish_Extremadura @ 25.318775

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Thessaly +50% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.482971

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Central_Greek +25% Romanian +25% West_Sicilian @ 2.445553

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Bulgarian + Central_Greek + South_Italian + Tuscan @ 2.061973
2 Bulgarian + Cyprian + Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian @ 2.223202
3 Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Central_Greek + Tuscan @ 2.246156
4 Ashkenazi + Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Tuscan @ 2.249470
5 Central_Greek + Cyprian + North_Italian + Serbian @ 2.250440
6 Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Italian_Abruzzo + West_Sicilian @ 2.295171
7 Bulgarian + Greek_Thessaly + South_Italian + West_Sicilian @ 2.301607
8 Central_Greek + Serbian + South_Italian + West_Sicilian @ 2.337435
9 Bulgarian + Central_Greek + East_Sicilian + Tuscan @ 2.338430
10 Bulgarian + Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Abruzzo + South_Italian @ 2.379632
11 Cyprian + Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian + Romanian @ 2.383520
12 Bulgarian + Central_Greek + West_Sicilian + West_Sicilian @ 2.400002
13 Bulgarian + East_Sicilian + South_Italian + Tuscan @ 2.412096
14 Central_Greek + Romanian + South_Italian + Tuscan @ 2.415326
15 Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Jewish + Romanian @ 2.416029
16 Central_Greek + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Tuscan @ 2.426797
17 Central_Greek + Central_Greek + Romanian + West_Sicilian @ 2.445553
18 Greek_Thessaly + Serbian + South_Italian + South_Italian @ 2.457971
19 Ashkenazi + Bulgarian + South_Italian + Tuscan @ 2.471547
20 Bulgarian + Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Jewish @ 2.474967

**Petalpusher** · 06-03-2015, 05:00 PM

Full sorted K13 Deluxe

North_Atlantic--40.79%
West_Med------23.73%
Baltic-----------20.31%
East_Med--------8.17%
West_Asian------5.49%
Red_Sea---------0.96%
East_Asian-------0.38%
Siberian----------0.18%
South_Asian----------
Amerindian-----------
Oceanian------------
Northeast_African ----
Sub-Saharan---------

1 French @ 6.233057
2 South_Dutch @ 9.196218
3 West_German @ 9.694644
4 Spanish_Cataluna @ 10.166491
5 Southwest_French @ 10.635451
6 Spanish_Galicia @ 11.049023
7 Spanish_Cantabria @ 11.470937
8 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 11.649289
9 Portuguese @ 11.798075
10 Spanish_Valencia @ 13.038110
11 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 13.210588
12 Spanish_Extremadura @ 13.406804
13 Spanish_Murcia @ 13.636230
14 Austrian @ 13.859152
15 Southeast_English @ 14.551850
16 Spanish_Andalucia @ 14.838248
17 Spanish_Aragon @ 15.041942
18 Southwest_English @ 15.308091
19 East_German @ 15.576905
20 Orcadian @ 16.896818

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Austrian + Irish + Irish + Sardinian @ 1.551011
2 Austrian + Irish + Orcadian + Sardinian @ 1.566363
3 East_German + Irish + Sardinian + Southwest_English @ 1.574659
4 Austrian + Norwegian + Sardinian + Southwest_English @ 1.575370
5 Austrian + Irish + Sardinian + Southwest_English @ 1.607160
6 Austrian + North_Dutch + Sardinian + Southwest_English @ 1.637123
7 Austrian + Croatian + French_Basque + Spanish_Aragon @ 1.679932
8 East_German + North_Dutch + Sardinian + Southwest_English @ 1.708470
9 Austrian + Irish + North_Dutch + Sardinian @ 1.724997
10 Austrian + French_Basque + Hungarian + Southwest_French @ 1.727880
11 Austrian + Irish + Sardinian + West_Scottish @ 1.743108
12 East_German + Irish + Irish + Sardinian @ 1.760855
13 Austrian + French_Basque + Hungarian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.766176
14 Austrian + Orcadian + Sardinian + Southwest_English @ 1.768714
15 Austrian + Orcadian + Sardinian + West_Scottish @ 1.769260
16 East_German + Orcadian + Sardinian + Southwest_English @ 1.777788
17 Austrian + Orcadian + Orcadian + Sardinian @ 1.788016
18 East_German + Irish + Orcadian + Sardinian @ 1.792544
19 East_German + Irish + Sardinian + Southeast_English @ 1.819713
20 East_German + Sardinian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 1.824316

Mixed mode
1 56.8% Southwest_French + 43.2% Austrian @ 1.85
2 56% Hungarian + 44% French_Basque @ 1.87
3 67.1% Norwegian + 32.9% Sardinian @ 1.95
4 70.7% North_German + 29.3% Sardinian @ 2.13
5 69.9% North_Dutch + 30.1% Sardinian @ 2.24
6 59.9% Southwest_French + 40.1% East_German @ 2.36
7 66.4% Swedish + 33.6% Sardinian @ 2.43
8 57.9% Spanish_Cantabria + 42.1% East_German @ 2.46
9 69.6% Danish + 30.4% Sardinian @ 2.5
10 55% Spanish_Cantabria + 45% Austrian @ 2.51
11 51.1% Spanish_Aragon + 48.9% East_German @ 2.56
12 50.4% Croatian + 49.6% French_Basque @ 2.78
13 82.4% South_Dutch + 17.6% Sardinian @ 2.85
14 51.9% Austrian + 48.1% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.89
15 62.9% Austrian + 37.1% French_Basque @ 2.92
16 63.9% Southwest_French + 36.1% Hungarian @ 2.94
17 54.5% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 45.5% East_German @ 3.03
18 50% Moldavian + 50% French_Basque @ 3.08
19 64.9% Spanish_Aragon + 35.1% South_Polish @ 3.16
20 67.6% Spanish_Aragon + 32.4% Polish @ 3.23

BTW i just realized mixed mode and 4 Oracle doesn't give the same distance of single and multi population.

**gültekin** · 06-03-2015, 05:14 PM

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 24.97
2 East_Med 24.4
3 West_Med 11.34
4 North_Atlantic 10.73
5 Baltic 9.23
6 Siberian 6.11
7 East_Asian 4.58
8 South_Asian 3.2
9 Red_Sea 2.52
10 Amerindian 1.36
11 Oceanian 1.02
12 Northeast_African 0.55

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkish 9.55
2 Azeri 13.18
3 Turkmen 14.74
4 Central_Greek 16.4
5 Kumyk 16.82
6 East_Sicilian 17.32
7 Italian_Abruzzo 17.77
8 Nogay 17.99
9 South_Italian 18.09
10 Ashkenazi 18.79
11 Greek_Thessaly 18.82
12 Kurdish 18.85
13 Iranian 19.55
14 Lebanese_Muslim 19.57
15 Armenian 19.82
16 Georgian_Jewish 19.83
17 Assyrian 20.03
18 Balkar 20.05
19 West_Sicilian 20.46
20 Syrian 20.47

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 52.8% Turkmen + 47.2% Central_Greek @ 3.32
2 54.3% Turkmen + 45.7% East_Sicilian @ 3.86
3 79.2% Turkish + 20.8% Tatar @ 3.86
4 85.5% Turkish + 14.5% La_Brana-1 @ 4.21
5 85.5% Turkish + 14.5% East_Finnish @ 4.49
6 53.6% Nogay + 46.4% Cyprian @ 4.49
7 55.5% Turkmen + 44.5% South_Italian @ 4.5
8 83.3% Turkish + 16.7% Chuvash @ 4.52
9 85.4% Turkish + 14.6% Finnish @ 4.52
10 56.6% Turkmen + 43.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.61
11 85.2% Turkish + 14.8% Southwest_Finnish @ 4.64
12 55.7% Nogay + 44.3% Italian_Jewish @ 4.64
13 56.6% Turkmen + 43.4% Ashkenazi @ 4.67
14 55.1% Turkmen + 44.9% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.69
15 53.9% Nogay + 46.1% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.73
16 84.5% Turkish + 15.5% Kargopol_Russian @ 4.76
17 58.8% Turkmen + 41.2% West_Sicilian @ 4.78
18 84.5% Turkish + 15.5% Mari @ 4.79
19 56.4% Nogay + 43.6% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.85
20 86% Turkish + 14% Estonian @ 4.87

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Cyprian + Greek_Thessaly + Nogay + Turkmen @ 2.160376
2 Adygei + Lebanese_Druze + Tuscan + Uzbeki @ 2.381172
3 Lebanese_Druze + North_Ossetian + Tuscan + Uzbeki @ 2.444256
4 Greek_Thessaly + Lebanese_Muslim + Nogay + Turkmen @ 2.447241
5 Cyprian + Italian_Abruzzo + Nogay + Turkmen @ 2.490388
6 Cyprian + Lezgin + Uzbeki + West_Sicilian @ 2.503022
7 Cyprian + Lezgin + South_Italian + Uzbeki @ 2.508037
8 Abhkasian + Ashkenazi + Italian_Abruzzo + Uzbeki @ 2.508562
9 Abhkasian + Aghan_Hazara + Ashkenazi + Ashkenazi @ 2.554971
10 Abhkasian + Ashkenazi + Central_Greek + Uzbeki @ 2.601747
11 Afghan_Turkmen + Chechen + Lebanese_Druze + West_Sicilian @ 2.615975
12 Central_Greek + Cyprian + Nogay + Turkmen @ 2.631413
13 Aghan_Hazara + Ashkenazi + Ashkenazi + Georgian @ 2.655152
14 Cyprian + Italian_Abruzzo + Kumyk + Uzbeki @ 2.656550
15 Abhkasian + Afghan_Turkmen + Ashkenazi + Ashkenazi @ 2.656887
16 Afghan_Turkmen + Cyprian + Italian_Jewish + Tabassaran @ 2.666675
17 Central_Greek + Lebanese_Druze + Nogay + Nogay @ 2.678971
18 Adygei + Afghan_Turkmen + Lebanese_Druze + Tuscan @ 2.679681
19 Balkar + Lebanese_Druze + Tuscan + Uzbeki @ 2.687219
20 Cyprian + Italian_Jewish + Tabassaran + Uzbeki @ 2.699608