Aryan R1a = Turkic ?

[Proto-Shaman]

R could be a proto-Mongoloid haplogroup.

with proto-Mongoloid you mean this look?

(Kyrgyz)


or this?

(Mongolian)

[Caballero]

The original R people carrying an autosomal DNA so called Ancient North Eurasian probably didn't look Mongoloid at all. It's clear that ANE is a Western Eurasian component, adding the fact that Amerindians always looked suspicious and not fully Mongoloid especially the Silvid phenotype among them strengthen the allusion. I would say the R people were some sort of robust swarthy Taurids: and yes i am just taking a wild guess.

And original Turks were probably C and Q carriers. Every Altaic that carries a R1a haplogroup is an assimilated Indo-Iranian or Tocharian of some some sort.

[Varhun]

The original R people carrying an autosomal DNA so called Ancient North Eurasian probably didn't look Mongoloid at all. It's clear that ANE is a Western Eurasian component, adding the fact that Amerindians always looked suspicious and not fully Mongoloid especially the Silvid phenotype among them strengthen the allusion. I would say the R people were some sort of robust swarthy Taurids: and yes i am just taking a wild guess.

And original Turks were probably C and Q carriers. Every Altaic that carries a R1a haplogroup is an assimilated Indo-Iranian or Tocharian of some some sort.

You must mean Zarzian I guess? Hard to prove if you ask me, but nothing is impossible.

[Pennywise]

The original R people carrying an autosomal DNA so called Ancient North Eurasian probably didn't look Mongoloid at all. It's clear that ANE is a Western Eurasian component, adding the fact that Amerindians always looked suspicious and not fully Mongoloid especially the Silvid phenotype among them strengthen the allusion. I would say the R people were some sort of robust swarthy Taurids: and yes i am just taking a wild guess.

And original Turks were probably C and Q carriers. Every Altaic that carries a R1a haplogroup is an assimilated Indo-Iranian or Tocharian of some some sort.

Almost all R1a1 carrier Scythian skeletons were Europo-Mongoloid and even some of them close to fully Mongoloid. Haplogroups have no direct effection to physical looking. R1a and R1b both are very old Eurasiatic genes. They can't be just define with IE speakers. Besides, we don't know what is "true" Turkic haplogroup/s.

[Caballero]

You must mean Zarzian I guess? Hard to prove if you ask me, but nothing is impossible.

I didn't know what you mean with Zarzian so i googled and i see it was an Paleolithic and Mesolithic culture in SouthWest Asia, i'll say far from the Siberian homeland of Y-DN R full of ANE. Don't forget the Mal'ta boy.

Probably in the future when scientists will accurately determine all the genes responsible for the phenotype we can accurately reconstruct how did they really look. I guess phenotype is variable since a lot of factors are taken in consideration. Whatever, it would still be fun!

Almost all R1a1 carrier Scythian skelotons were Europo-Mongoloid and even some of them close to fully Mongoloid. Haplogroups have no direct effection to physical looking. R1a and R1b both are very old Eurasiatic genes. They can't be just define with IE speakers. Besides, we don't know what is "true" Turkic haplogroup/s.

Of course they are old, but when we speak about Turkics they carry specific subclade, i mean child subclades of the more Western variants. So that's a no rocket science to figure out it's simply an Indo-Iranian/Tocharian marker. Nothing wrong with it, actually.

[Proto-Shaman]

Every Altaic that carries a R1a haplogroup is an assimilated Indo-Iranian or Tocharian of some some sort.

Ah yeah, and thats why central Asian Turkic Mongoloids do carry P-M45 (papa of R & Q), because they are so tr00ly Indo-Iranian or Tocharian right?

[Pennywise]

Of course they are old, but when we speak about Turkics they carry specific subclade, i mean child subclades of the more Western variants. So that's a no rocket science to figure out it's simply an Indo-Iranian/Tocharian marker. Nothing wrong with it, actually.

It can be correlated with IE speakers in Central Asia, yes. But that doesn't mean all R carriers were IE or PIE shifted people. Like I said, the excistence of this haplotype in Eurasia is very old and it can be "shifted" from anywhere to Turkic or non-IE speakers in the region.

[Caballero]

It can be correlated with IE speakers in Central Asia, yes. But that doesn't mean all R carriers were IE or PIE shifted people. Like I said, the excistence of this haplotype in Eurasia is very old and it can be "shifted" from anywhere to Turkic or non-IE speakers in the region.

Ofcourse not. After the Haak paper we are inclined to believe that the original PIE speakers were the R1b carriers, before that everyone laughed at the idea of R1b having anything to do with the PIE. Yamnaya is the strongest candidate so if almost exclusively all of Yamnaya males were R1b it's easy to assume the PIE were really R1b1a2-L23 and R1a were language shifters. These are all assumptions, but we can guess at some percentage rates.

[Pennywise]

Ofcourse not. After the Haak paper we are inclined to believe that the original PIE speakers were the R1b carriers, before that everyone laughed at the idea of R1b having anything to do with the PIE. Yamnaya is the strongest candidate so if almost exclusively all of Yamnaya males were R1b it's easy to assume the PIE were really R1b1a2-L23 and R1a were language shifters. These are all assumptions, but we can guess at some percentage rates.

It doesn't proven either. Many researchers still against the idea of the possible correlation between IE speakers and R1b. Like you said, we are just talking about theories here.

[Arhat]

I am really tired of this "turanian" retards. Sintashta had Z93 and zero Turkic or altaic admixture.