Indigenous Balkan I2a1 in southern Albania

[Scholarios]

Why is there I2a1 in South Albania? Well, you see son, when a man loves a woman....

[Lek]

Why is there I2a1 in South Albania? Well, you see son, when a man loves a woman....

You never talk about the Albanians who took Slavic brides. I guess it's more insulting for you to be a Slav paternally. Which is why you have a fetish for trying to link every ydna hg found in Albos to slavs, i guess. Soon you'll be telling us how ev13 is Slavic too.


That Slavic ydna comes from subjogated Bulgarians who later got assimilated. Also another i2a subclade found in south is not Slavic but not found much in north, points again to bottleneck etc. Hence it's diverse distributions

[Lek]

Haplogroups are DNA fragments taken from only sexual chromosomes. The whole point of haplogrops is to provide a way to escape from the genetic bounds of ethnicity, which is DNA analysis of all chromosomes or autosomal DNA, and build a genetic tree that at its root unifies all races.

However in the case of E1b and its derivatives, given that the overwhelming majority of its carriers are still in Africa and only a small fraction is found around the area that was the epicenter of ancient empires, it's almost safe to say that it has been brought with slaves. There is no better explanation than this.

Those are not even the same subclades. You, OP, and a lot of people here have no idea about ydnas or genetics in general. Go learn or sit back and learn.

[Scholarios]

You never talk about the Albanians who took Slavic brides. I guess it's more insulting for you to be a Slav paternally. Which is why you have a fetish for trying to link every ydna hg found in Albos to slavs, i guess. Soon you'll be telling us how ev13 is Slavic too.

I am just explaining the mystery of the "birds and the bees".

But yes, South Albania and Northwest Greece was a place of all sorts of mixings.

[Drawing-slim]

Haplogroups are DNA fragments taken from only sexual chromosomes. The whole point of haplogrops is to provide a way to escape from the genetic bounds of ethnicity, which is DNA analysis of all chromosomes or autosomal DNA, and build a genetic tree that at its root unifies all races.

However in the case of E1b and its derivatives, given that the overwhelming majority of its carriers are still in Africa and only a small fraction is found around the area that was the epicenter of ancient empires, it's almost safe to say that it has been brought with slaves. There is no better explanation than this.

haha, I have read you around before even on an albanian forum i think, you're one of those devoted passionate anti-gheg tosk. Creative theory based on pure distaste of certain group of people, in a twsited sense. But E-v13 has produced some of greatest minds in the world not only best worriors through roman empire. How we explain that? chill on the hate towards us ghegs man,lol you funy though!

[Herr Abubu]

There is nothing serious in your claims. You can not project here your familiar problems. If you have slavic blood in your family for obvious reason, this don't mean that South Albania is a slavic sea as you are trying to describe.
For you i have an direct and simple question:
Where are this slavs?

You even have Bulgaro-Macedonian Slavs in Eastern Albania to this day. Point is, however, that Slavic Y-DNA is most common in South Albania, as is Slavic toponymy and the clear historical presence of Slavs in that area.

What it shows is that, first of all, these populations were replaced by its current inhabitants, the Albanians. There wouldn't be such a preponderance of Slavic toponyms there if there wasn't ever a Slavic presence.

Secondly, it shows that the Slavs of South Albania were assimilated and absorbed into the Tosk Albanian population.

It's quite funny, Laberia. You guys are basically to Albanians what Arvanites are to Greeks.

And since there was always a strong Vlach presence in South Albania, we could call you SlavoVlachs: a melange of Albanians, Slavs, Vlachs and Greeks.

[Lek]

I am just explaining the mystery of the "birds and the bees".

But yes, South Albania and Northwest Greece was a place of all sorts of mixings.

Not just Albania south but north too but they were more tribal and patriarchal in the north, they took brides from their neighbors. Also probably bottleneck effect in the is the result of ydna distribution today. I was interested to know how much genetic continuity there is between modern balkanites and ancient but all these autosomals show different results, bullshit plotting maps etc.and a lot seem to be scams. You could probably send your spit several times under different names and get different results.

I'd reccomend people just to test ydna and save your money. You'll learn how it works once you get into it.

there is I1 found in the north linked to normans goths etc. They seem to of become latinized and some later albanized.

There is some i2a subclade in south Albania that is not Slavic though. I don't remember what it was. South Albania has way more Slavic toponyms. Malesia north Albania/south Montenegro mountains was inhabited by patriarchal mountain tribes. I know my ancestors came from there. But I can't say the same for every other Albanian.

Regarding ev 13 in Albanians, it's overrated. It's not the most Albanian or common than any other common one.

Those 40% E are old samples and very few people tested like 100 and 40% tested E I believe. I could be wrong about the number but the samples weren't that large.

[Sokoli]

haha, I have read you around before even on an albanian forum i think, you're one of those devoted passionate anti-gheg tosk. Creative theory based on pure distaste of certain group of people, in a twsited sense. But E-v13 has produced some of greatest minds in the world not only best worriors through roman empire. How we explain that? chill on the hate towards us ghegs man,lol you funy though!

You can ask the opposite question. If slaves had an haplogroup X, what distribution pattern should you expect for it?
You should expect that most of its carriers be still in Africa, and the small fraction that isn't in Africa should be found close to the remains of the ancient Empires. E1b is the haplogroup that represents best this pattern.

Haplogroups say nothing about single individuals, because they represent a very small fraction of the genetic material inherited by parents. A single person having haplogroup X could be blonde or dark haired, tall or short, healthy or ill, etc. So your claim that "E-V13 has produced some of the greatest minds in the world" doesn't make sense. Haplogroups are fractions of sexual chromozomes. In their entirety, sexual chromosomes determine only the sex.

[Laberia]

You even have Bulgaro-Macedonian Slavs in Eastern Albania to this day. Point is, however, that Slavic Y-DNA is most common in South Albania, as is Slavic toponymy and the clear historical presence of Slavs in that area.

What it shows is that, first of all, these populations were replaced by its current inhabitants, the Albanians. There wouldn't be such a preponderance of Slavic toponyms there if there wasn't ever a Slavic presence.

Secondly, it shows that the Slavs of South Albania were assimilated and absorbed into the Tosk Albanian population.

It's quite funny, Laberia. You guys are basically to Albanians what Arvanites are to Greeks.

And since there was always a strong Vlach presence in South Albania, we could call you SlavoVlachs: a melange of Albanians, Slavs, Vlachs and Greeks.

When happened this replacement and assimilation of slavs by Albanians?

[Laberia]

haha, I have read you around before even on an albanian forum i think, you're one of those devoted passionate anti-gheg tosk. Creative theory based on pure distaste of certain group of people, in a twsited sense. But E-v13 has produced some of greatest minds in the world not only best worriors through roman empire. How we explain that? chill on the hate towards us ghegs man,lol you funy though!

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