Indigenous Balkan I2a1 in southern Albania

[Profileid]

Laberia - you really demonstrate that the low IQ of Balkan people is not a matter of genetics or nutrition or lack of schooling - but just sheer willpower . You have to * want * to be as retarded as you act. There is no other explanation for someone to be so proud of their own obnoxious ignorance.

Now please, stop quoting me. I'm satisfied that you took the bait over and over in this thread, but you can go back to selling marijuana in Italy , you shiftless lowlife.

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Laberia is my homeboy. But I love how you put that man.

[Herr Abubu]

Laberia - you really demonstrate that the low IQ of Balkan people is not a matter of genetics or nutrition or lack of schooling - but just sheer willpower . You have to * want * to be as retarded as you act. There is no other explanation for someone to be so proud of their own obnoxious ignorance.

Now please, stop quoting me. I'm satisfied that you took the bait over and over in this thread, but you can go back to selling marijuana in Italy , you shiftless lowlife.

The HellenoSlavoArvanitoVlachoTurk's head was created to butt heads in the mountains and mudwrestle. He puts his whole pride and person into his arguments and into his overall beliefs. When he argues he basically views it as a fight, where only might is right.

[Herr Abubu]

The Lab look that sticks out the most is "compressed" look. Everything is short about this type of look, but not in the least graceful and refined manner possible. It's like a corruption of the Kukesian type.

Their faces look like they didn't grow outward but inward. Overall, though, in Vlona they look more like Kosovars than your average subhumanid Tironse does.

[Scholarios]

The Lab look that sticks out the most is "compressed" look. Everything is short about this type of look, but not in the least graceful and refined manner possible. Their faces look like they didn't grow outward but inward. Overall, though, in Vlona they look more like Kosovars than your average subhumanid Tironse does.

Kinda like this.


Also appreciate that Ghegs call it "Vlone" rather than "Vlore" since the pronunciation wasn't mediated through Slavs of Vagenetia in the case of Ghegs.

[Herr Abubu]

Also appreciate that Ghegs call it "Vlone" rather than "Vlore" since the pronunciation wasn't mediated through Slavs of Vagenetia in the case of Ghegs.

Why would it be mediated through these Slavs? I always assumed it was due to the rhotacism in Albanian.

[Scholarios]

Why would it be mediated through these Slavs? I always assumed it was due to the rhotacism in Albanian.

Actually, you are correct. I was forgetting that Albanian rhotacism can operate on its own without Slavs. The term "Laberia" is what I am thinking of. (Bulgarians changed Albania>Labania, then Tosk rhotacism changed Labania>Laberia just like Vlone>Vlore). It is still cool though that Ghegs pronounce it closer to the old Doric manner.

[Herr Abubu]

Actually, you are correct. I was forgetting that Albanian rhotacism can operate on its own without Slavs. The term "Laberia" is what I am thinking of. (Bulgarians changed Albania>Labania, then Tosk rhotacism changed Labania>Laberia just like Vlone>Vlore). It is still cool though that Ghegs pronounce it closer to the old Doric manner.

What's the connection between Slavs and Albanian rhotacism? Sincerely curious. And I didn't know Laberia is just a Bulgarian-Slavic corruption of Albania. Though I wonder why only a specific group of Albanians should be Labs.

[Scholarios]

What's the connection between Slavs and Albanian rhotacism? Sincerely curious. And I didn't know Laberia is just a Bulgarian-Slavic corruption of Albania. Though I wonder why only a specific group of Albanians should be Labs.

There's no real connection between Tosk rhotacism and Slavic one, Just i confused the two issues here. ( I say Tosk here because such phenomenon apparently didn't affect Gheg pronunciation of the word).

Yes, I guess Greeks/Romaioi were calling this area as "Albania" and Bulgarians corrupted it. Well, only Albanians in South had contact with Bulgarians- and the ones around Teplene- Sarande preserved it as a self-identifier. I suppose. It is just that Ghegs did not operate the rhotacism or did not have direct contact with Serbs- or most likely, Albanians were living in those areas in the North before Serbs arrived there, which (I think) we can't say for Labs/Tosks in the South.

Speaking of which, I guess you know the Serbs had some similar affect on this word:

И пошто је обновио очеву дедовину и још више утврдио Божјом помоћу и својом мудрошћу даном му од Бога, и подиже пропалу своју дедовину и придоби од поморске земље Зету са градовима, а од Рабна оба Пилота, а од грчке земље патково, све Хвосно и Подримље, Кострц, Дршковину, Ситницу, Лаб, Липљан, Глбочицу, Реке, Ушку и Поморавље, Загрлату, Левче, Белицу. То све мудрошћу и трудом својим све ово придоби што му је припадало од српске земље, а одузето му некада насиљем од своје дедовине

And after he had restored his father's patrimony and fortified it with God's help, and with his God given wisdom, he resurrected his grandfather's land and he conquered: from Littoral land: Zeta with its cities, from Raban[Albania]: both districts of Pilot, and from the Greek land: Patkovo, all Hvosno and Podrimlje, Kostrc, Draškovina, Sitnica, Lab, Lipljan, Glbočica, Reke, Uska and Pomoravlje, Zagrlata, Levče, Belica. All that areas, which belonged to him in Serbian land and were taken by force from his patrimony, he recaptured with his wisdom and effort.

From Life of Saint Simeon

Raban is the West-Central form of the word, Laban the Eastern grouping's pronunciation. What affect this had on the the endonymy of Albanians isn't clear to me, or how it might be related to the fact that Albanians do not call themselves any form of this word today...

[ilir]

I am happy you are enjoying it guys.

By the way when you do it alone i know it's called "intellectual masturbation" but when you are a couple what can it be the proper definition??

[Herr Abubu]

I am happy you are enjoying it guys.

By the way when you do it alone i know it's called "intellectual masturbation" but when you are a couple what can it be the proper definition??

If you were any smarter you'd know that pouty insults aren't witty achieve nothing but demonstrating your butthurt.