Indigenous Balkan I2a1 in southern Albania

[Herr Abubu]

I am not splitting hair here, if your scenario were correct we would see other effects of such assimilation, culturally and linguistically most importantly, without even discussing the low diversity of I2a within the Balkans.

It is hair-splitting. Southern Albania was only under Slavic rule for many centuries. Epirus overall was teeming with Slavs, just as it teems with Slavic toponyms to this day. The Albanian language has been influenced extensively by Slavic. A lot of our vocabulary regarding agriculture, the trades, the sea, etc. is Slavic in origin, which is why historians think that Albanians learned and took a lot of these from the Slavs. That in itself is a massive cultural influence, too. That's true whether we speak of Ghegs or Tosks. Then you just have to look at the Albanian Medieval Ages.

I2a's diversity is low exactly because it originated outside of the Balkans and came down to the Balkans with the Slavs, there's the bottleneck. Those same Slavs then brought it down to South Albania. You could hold on to your fantasy that the reason Tosks have a high percentage of it is because of a bottleneck, but there'd be Slav Y-DNA foaming out of that bottleneck all the same. But that's disregarding history. Not to mention the fact that higher I2a in Tosks also coincides with higher R1a.

But why tosk and ghegs look almost the same then ?????? My grandpa ( a Lab from corrush originaly ) is Isa boletinis look alike... Also when i was in prishtina 3 years ago with my aunt which was a guest of some people she took in her home in 99' , I don't think that i saw any difference between them (and people in prishtina in general ) and people from the south..


Also you can check gheg and tosk singers on youtube..

For fuck's sake, stop being such a simpleton. I've been in the south a thousand times and the differences are obvious. Not even North Albanians look like you, they look more like us, and they're within your own borders. Fact is you have a lot of Slavic Y-DNA.

[Wrong]

We can't be too sure that Tosks have a high I2a1b frequency since not too many have been tested. It could possibly be as low as 12-15%.

It should be peaking in the Vlachs of South Albania.

[catgeorge]

You guys freak out over a lot over nothing. I + J is Cro Magnon ancestery.

R + G + E + N + T missed the boat.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

We can't be too sure that Tosks have a high I2a1b frequency since not too many have been tested. It could possibly be as low as 12-15%.

It should be peaking in the Vlachs of South Albania.

Korca is most heavily Vlachic region of which correlates with high I2a aswell, seem that Vlachs indeed have unusual high number of I2a.

[Wrong]

Korca is most heavily Vlachic region of which correlates with high I2a aswell, seem that Vlachs indeed have unusual high number of I2a.

Slavs + Aromanians may have together brought I2a1b to the Balkans as a founder effect:

[catgeorge]

Korca is most heavily Vlachic region of which correlates with high I2a aswell, seem that Vlachs indeed have unusual high number of I2a.

Yes Vlachs and Sarakatsani do have I-P37.2 its about 11k years old in line with Thessalian neolithic expansion into Balkans from Sesklo or so the theory goes.

[Coolguy1]

Yes Vlachs and Sarakatsani do have I-P37.2 its about 11k years old in line with Thessalian neolithic expansion into Balkans from Sesklo or so the theory goes.

Any studies on the Sarakatsanoi?

[catgeorge]

We apologise for the spread of I - all we wanted to do is to ensure you freak out daily on TA

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Slavs + Aromanians together may have brought I2a1b to the Balkans as a founder effect:

Wasn't coincidence when I said on another thread that I'm interested to know more genetically about Korca, this region is well known for huge Vlachic population.......high I2a correlates very well with high Vlach population, therefore this genetic marks wasn't caused solely by Slavic settlers but perhaps more from Vlachs then slavs themselves.

[Wrong]

Yes Vlachs and Sarakatsani do have I-P37.2 its about 11k years old in line with Thessalian neolithic expansion into Balkans from Sesklo or so the theory goes.

It's the very same clade as I2a1b-Din, so from Slavic origin. Enough with the fairytales.

If Tosks are Slavic influenced, then Vlachs are even more so.