Eurogenes K36 Oracle: my results

**Peterski** · 04-11-2017, 11:03 AM

Can you run K36 Oracle for Noricum?

**Lucas** · 04-11-2017, 11:03 AM

I checked him. He has results in another thread.

Here is his oracle.
Slovak or Hungarian_Slovenian as first distance.

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Slovak @ 9,426006
2 Hungarian_Slovenian @ 9,485884
3 Czechs_Moravians @ 9,649529
4 Slovenian @ 10,117104
5 Croatian @ 10,53795
6 Bosnian @ 12,178513
7 Moldavian @ 12,716084
8 Serbian @ 13,037545
9 PL_South_Poland @ 13,09981
10 Carpathian @ 13,174611
11 PL_Upper_sliesia @ 13,180553
12 Ukrainian_West @ 13,345973
13 Austria @ 13,384889
14 PL_SE_Carpathia @ 13,977589
15 German_Austria @ 14,797398
16 Montenegrian @ 15,986369
17 PL_West_Beskid @ 16,186827
18 German_Prussia @ 16,224506
19 PL_average @ 16,227242
20 German_Volga @ 16,599138
176 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Ukrainian_West+Austria @ 7,075686
2 PL_Upper_sliesia+Austria @ 7,188989
3 PL_South_Poland+Austria @ 7,418345
4 Ukrainian_East+Austria @ 7,706898
5 Slovak+Austria @ 7,866443
6 Belarusian_Polesye+Austria @ 7,927952
7 Austria+PL_average @ 7,994031
8 PL_SE_Carpathia+Austria @ 8,011869
9 PL_Mazovia_Podlasie+Austria @ 8,056862
10 Ukrainian_East+Man_Isle @ 8,113443
11 Hungarian_Slovenian+Slovak @ 8,261304
12 Carpathian+Frisian_DK @ 8,264967
13 Russian_Don_Cossack+Austria @ 8,324428
14 Russian_Smolensk+Austria @ 8,411302
15 Austria+PL_West_Beskid @ 8,436306
16 Hungarian_Slovenian+Czechs_Moravians @ 8,438011
17 Belarusian_East+Austria @ 8,488855
18 Russian_Center+Austria @ 8,564786
19 Austria+Czechs_Moravians @ 8,587186
20 Croatian+Hungarian_Slovenian @ 8,594937
15576 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Carpathian +25% Ukrainian_West +25% Frisian_DK @ 6,599095
2 50% Carpathian +25% Slovak +25% Frisian_DK @ 6,93692
3 50% Ukrainian_West +25% Frisian_DK +25% IT_Friuli @ 6,964933
4 50% Austria +25% Ukrainian_West +25% PL_Upper_sliesia @ 6,969964
5 50% Carpathian +25% PL_Upper_sliesia +25% Frisian_DK @ 6,98342
6 50% PL_Upper_sliesia +25% Frisian_DK +25% IT_Friuli @ 7,003025
7 50% Austria +25% Ukrainian_East +25% Ukrainian_West @ 7,013323
8 50% Carpathian +25% PL_South_Poland +25% Frisian_DK @ 7,032859
9 50% Austria +25% Ukrainian_West +25% PL_South_Poland @ 7,07236
10 50% Ukrainian_West +25% Austria +25% Austria @ 7,075686
11 50% Slovak +25% Carpathian +25% Frisian_DK @ 7,089029
12 50% Austria +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Ukrainian_West @ 7,114979
13 50% Carpathian +25% Frisian_DK +25% Czechs_Moravians @ 7,147985
14 50% Slovak +25% Hungarian_Slovenian +25% Austria @ 7,157324
15 50% PL_South_Poland +25% Frisian_DK +25% IT_Friuli @ 7,172185
16 50% Carpathian +25% Hungarian_Slovenian +25% Frisian_DK @ 7,187239
17 50% PL_Upper_sliesia +25% Austria +25% Austria @ 7,188989
18 50% Ukrainian_East +25% Frisian_DK +25% IT_Friuli @ 7,19532
19 50% Austria +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Hungarian_Slovenian @ 7,213457
20 50% Hungarian_Slovenian +25% Ukrainian_West +25% Austria @ 7,227374
1894598 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Carpathian+Carpathian+Ukrainian_West+Frisian_DK @ 6,599095
2 Ukrainian_East+Ukrainian_West+Frisian_DK+IT_Friuli @ 6,678126
3 Carpathian+Hungarian_Slovenian+Ukrainian_West+Fris ian_DK @ 6,725708
4 Carpathian+Serbian+Ukrainian_West+Frisian_DK @ 6,78293
5 Ukrainian_West+PL_Upper_sliesia+Frisian_DK+IT_Friu li @ 6,817865
6 Ukrainian_West+PL_South_Poland+Frisian_DK+IT_Friul i @ 6,888031
7 Ukrainian_East+PL_Upper_sliesia+Frisian_DK+IT_Friu li @ 6,892572
8 Carpathian+Hungarian_Slovenian+Ukrainian_West+Man_ Isle @ 6,904553
9 Carpathian+Ukrainian_East+Frisian_DK+Austria @ 6,90591
10 Carpathian+Croatian+Ukrainian_West+Frisian_DK @ 6,910177
11 Carpathian+Ukrainian_West+Frisian_DK+Austria @ 6,930475
12 Carpathian+Russian_Smolensk+Frisian_DK+Austria @ 6,935362
13 Carpathian+Carpathian+Slovak+Frisian_DK @ 6,93692
14 Carpathian+Montenegrian+Ukrainian_West+Frisian_DK @ 6,943995
15 Belarusian_Polesye+Carpathian+Frisian_DK+Austria @ 6,944307
16 Carpathian+Hungarian_Slovenian+Slovak+Frisian_DK @ 6,944824
17 Russian_Smolensk+Ukrainian_West+Frisian_DK+IT_Friu li @ 6,95397
18 Ukrainian_West+Ukrainian_West+Frisian_DK+IT_Friuli @ 6,964933
19 Ukrainian_West+PL_Upper_sliesia+Austria+Austria @ 6,969964
20 Russian_Center+Ukrainian_West+Frisian_DK+IT_Friuli @ 6,973331
21 Ukrainian_East+PL_South_Poland+Frisian_DK+IT_Friul i @ 6,975767
22 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_West+Frisian_DK+IT_Fr iuli @ 6,977493
23 Carpathian+Carpathian+PL_Upper_sliesia+Frisian_DK @ 6,98342
24 Carpathian+Hungarian_Slovenian+PL_South_Poland+Fri sian_DK @ 6,984947
25 Belarusian_East+Carpathian+Frisian_DK+Austria @ 6,985668
26 Carpathian+Russian_Novgorod_Pskov+Frisian_DK+IT_Fr iuli @ 6,991306
27 PL_Upper_sliesia+PL_Upper_sliesia+Frisian_DK+IT_Fr iuli @ 7,003025
28 Ukrainian_East+Ukrainian_West+Austria+Austria @ 7,013323
29 Russian_Tambov+Ukrainian_West+Frisian_DK+IT_Friuli @ 7,013371
30 Bosnian+Carpathian+Ukrainian_West+Frisian_DK @ 7,018187
31 Carpathian+Carpathian+PL_South_Poland+Frisian_DK @ 7,032859
32 PL_South_Poland+PL_Upper_sliesia+Frisian_DK+IT_Fri uli @ 7,037141
33 Carpathian+Slovenian+Ukrainian_West+Frisian_DK @ 7,039861
34 Carpathian+Slovak+Ukrainian_West+Frisian_DK @ 7,048898
35 Carpathian+Russian_Smolensk+Frisian_DK+IT_Friuli @ 7,049137
36 Carpathian+Macedonian+Ukrainian_West+Frisian_DK @ 7,067562
37 Carpathian+PL_Mazovia_Podlasie+Frisian_DK+Austria @ 7,072224
38 Ukrainian_West+PL_South_Poland+Austria+Austria @ 7,07236
39 Carpathian+Serbian+PL_Upper_sliesia+Frisian_DK @ 7,072508
40 Carpathian+Hungarian_Slovenian+PL_Upper_sliesia+Fr isian_DK @ 7,074019
18261297 iterations.

Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0,130062

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Hungarian_Slovenian @ 3,986366
2 Slovak @ 4,336185
3 Slovenian @ 4,36659
4 Czechs_Moravians @ 4,666635
5 PL_South_Poland @ 4,720681
6 Austria @ 4,976359
7 Carpathian @ 5,07948
8 PL_SE_Carpathia @ 5,160771
9 Croatian @ 5,208129
10 Ukrainian_West @ 5,249718
11 Bosnian @ 5,392385
12 Serbian @ 5,511273
13 German_Volga @ 5,555577
14 Montenegrian @ 5,78311
15 PL_Upper_sliesia @ 5,787665
16 German @ 5,938618
17 Ukrainian_East @ 6,031099
18 PL_average @ 6,164893
19 Macedonian @ 6,325757
20 IT_Friuli @ 6,463557
176 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Carpathian+Frisian_DK @ 3,640333
2 Hungarian_Slovenian+PL_South_Poland @ 3,854147
3 Slovenian+Frisian_DK @ 3,955664
4 Hungarian_Slovenian+PL_Upper_sliesia @ 3,965329
5 Hungarian_Slovenian+Hungarian_Slovenian @ 3,986366
6 Hungarian_Slovenian+Czechs_Moravians @ 3,993323
7 PL_South_Poland+Austria @ 3,994888
8 Hungarian_Slovenian+PL_West_Beskid @ 4,000229
9 Hungarian_Slovenian+Frisian_DK @ 4,003924
10 Hungarian_Slovenian+Slovak @ 4,004829
11 PL_Upper_sliesia+Austria @ 4,010362
12 Hungarian_Slovenian+Ukrainian_West @ 4,043635
13 Carpathian+German_Austria @ 4,043967
14 Hungarian_Slovenian+Slovenian @ 4,070444
15 Hungarian_Slovenian+PL_SE_Carpathia @ 4,072279
16 Slovak+Frisian_DK @ 4,083966
17 PL_Mazovia_Podlasie+Austria @ 4,087809
18 Slovenian+PL_Upper_sliesia @ 4,131066
19 Hungarian_Slovenian+German_Prussia @ 4,132527
20 Carpathian+Hungarian_Slovenian @ 4,142206
15576 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% PL_South_Poland +25% Carpathian +25% Frisian_DK @ 3,502638
2 50% PL_Upper_sliesia +25% Carpathian +25% Frisian_DK @ 3,5462
3 50% Hungarian_Slovenian +25% Carpathian +25% Frisian_DK @ 3,548313
4 50% Frisian_DK +25% Carpathian +25% PL_South_Poland @ 3,561393
5 50% Frisian_DK +25% Carpathian +25% PL_SE_Carpathia @ 3,573765
6 50% Carpathian +25% PL_South_Poland +25% Frisian_DK @ 3,576324
7 50% Carpathian +25% PL_Upper_sliesia +25% Frisian_DK @ 3,582931
8 50% Hungarian_Slovenian +25% PL_South_Poland +25% Frisian_DK @ 3,597107
9 50% Frisian_DK +25% Carpathian +25% PL_Upper_sliesia @ 3,599345
10 50% PL_SE_Carpathia +25% Carpathian +25% Frisian_DK @ 3,619554
11 50% Carpathian +25% Hungarian_Slovenian +25% Frisian_DK @ 3,627071
12 50% Frisian_DK +25% Carpathian +25% Hungarian_Slovenian @ 3,634304
13 50% Carpathian +25% Frisian_DK +25% Frisian_DK @ 3,640333
14 50% Carpathian +25% PL_SE_Carpathia +25% Frisian_DK @ 3,644562
15 50% Carpathian +25% Frisian_DK +25% PL_West_Beskid @ 3,666031
16 50% Hungarian_Slovenian +25% PL_Upper_sliesia +25% Frisian_DK @ 3,667362
17 50% Hungarian_Slovenian +25% Frisian_DK +25% PL_West_Beskid @ 3,670216
18 50% Hungarian_Slovenian +25% PL_SE_Carpathia +25% Frisian_DK @ 3,674644
19 50% Carpathian +25% Frisian_DK +25% German_Prussia @ 3,682861
20 50% Carpathian +25% PL_Mazovia_Podlasie +25% Frisian_DK @ 3,689679
1879354 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Carpathian+Hungarian_Slovenian+PL_South_Poland+Fri sian_DK @ 3,457667
2 Carpathian+Hungarian_Slovenian+PL_Upper_sliesia+Fr isian_DK @ 3,48767
3 Carpathian+PL_South_Poland+PL_South_Poland+Frisian _DK @ 3,502638
4 Carpathian+PL_South_Poland+PL_Upper_sliesia+Frisia n_DK @ 3,518174
5 Carpathian+Hungarian_Slovenian+Frisian_DK+PL_West_ Beskid @ 3,527507
6 Carpathian+Hungarian_Slovenian+PL_SE_Carpathia+Fri sian_DK @ 3,532879
7 Carpathian+PL_Upper_sliesia+PL_Upper_sliesia+Frisi an_DK @ 3,5462
8 Carpathian+Hungarian_Slovenian+PL_Mazovia_Podlasie +Frisian_DK @ 3,546737
9 Carpathian+Hungarian_Slovenian+Hungarian_Slovenian +Frisian_DK @ 3,548313
10 Carpathian+PL_SE_Carpathia+PL_South_Poland+Frisian _DK @ 3,55066
11 Carpathian+PL_South_Poland+Frisian_DK+Frisian_DK @ 3,561393
12 Carpathian+PL_SE_Carpathia+PL_Upper_sliesia+Frisia n_DK @ 3,562003
13 Carpathian+PL_SE_Carpathia+Frisian_DK+Frisian_DK @ 3,573765
14 Carpathian+Carpathian+PL_South_Poland+Frisian_DK @ 3,576324
15 Carpathian+Carpathian+PL_Upper_sliesia+Frisian_DK @ 3,582931
16 Hungarian_Slovenian+Hungarian_Slovenian+PL_South_P oland+Frisian_DK @ 3,597107
17 Carpathian+PL_Upper_sliesia+Frisian_DK+Frisian_DK @ 3,599345
18 Carpathian+Hungarian_Slovenian+Frisian_DK+German_P russia @ 3,605587
19 Carpathian+Hungarian_Slovenian+Lithuanian+Frisian_ DK @ 3,607205
20 Carpathian+Hungarian_Slovenian+Ukrainian_East+Fris ian_DK @ 3,608093
21 Carpathian+PL_SE_Carpathia+PL_SE_Carpathia+Frisian _DK @ 3,619554
22 Carpathian+Slovenian+PL_South_Poland+Frisian_DK @ 3,621988
23 Carpathian+Slovenian+PL_Upper_sliesia+Frisian_DK @ 3,622916
24 Carpathian+Carpathian+Hungarian_Slovenian+Frisian_ DK @ 3,627071
25 Carpathian+Hungarian_Slovenian+Ukrainian_West+Fris ian_DK @ 3,631305
26 Carpathian+Hungarian_Slovenian+Frisian_DK+Frisian_ DK @ 3,634304
27 Carpathian+Hungarian_Slovenian+Frisian_DK+Czechs_M oravians @ 3,63784
28 Carpathian+Hungarian_Slovenian+Russian_Smolensk+Fr isian_DK @ 3,638988
29 Carpathian+Carpathian+Frisian_DK+Frisian_DK @ 3,640333
30 Carpathian+Carpathian+PL_SE_Carpathia+Frisian_DK @ 3,644562
31 Belarusian_Polesye+Carpathian+Hungarian_Slovenian+ Frisian_DK @ 3,644663
32 Carpathian+Hungarian_Slovenian+Frisian_DK+PL_avera ge @ 3,644757
33 Hungarian_Slovenian+Slovenian+PL_South_Poland+Fris ian_DK @ 3,657604
34 Carpathian+Hungarian_Slovenian+Pl_Kashubians+Frisi an_DK @ 3,65771
35 Carpathian+PL_SE_Carpathia+Frisian_DK+PL_West_Besk id @ 3,658732
36 Carpathian+PL_South_Poland+Frisian_DK+Czechs_Morav ians @ 3,660472
37 Carpathian+PL_South_Poland+Frisian_DK+PL_West_Besk id @ 3,662252
38 Carpathian+PL_South_Poland+Frisian_DK+German_Pruss ia @ 3,663185
39 Carpathian+Carpathian+Frisian_DK+PL_West_Beskid @ 3,666031
40 Hungarian_Slovenian+Hungarian_Slovenian+PL_Upper_s liesia+Frisian_DK @ 3,667362
18200769 iterations.

**Lucas** · 04-11-2017, 11:05 AM

Looks 50-70% Slav (but maybe Slav part is form various sources like Slovenian, Czech or Slovak)
Carpathian is Verenich sample for Ukrainian Boyko. But it's just a proxy for Slovak probably.

**Peterski** · 04-11-2017, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by mlukas

Looks 50-70% Slav (but maybe Slav part is form various sources like Slovenian, Czech)
Carpathian is Verenich sample for Ukrainian Boyko.

You see. And 100% of his known ancestors have German surnames and German mother tongue.

Some parts of Austria are very Slavic, especially when it comes to Eastern & Southern Austria.

Originally Posted by mlukas

I checked him. He has results in another thread.

But not K36, because this is a new Oracle. In puntDNAL K15 he is getting Austrian & Slovenian:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...=1#post4248010

It probably means that the reference sample of Austrians from puntDNAL K15 is also very Slavic.

**Lucas** · 04-11-2017, 11:14 AM

Rather unlikely with such high Baltic in K13 for example that he is 100% Austrian. PUNTdnal has probably Eastern Austria sample used as Austrian.
I used for Austria sample 50% Tyrolians. Just to omit possible Slavic input.

**Karol Klačansky** · 04-11-2017, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by mlukas

Looks 50-70% Slav (but maybe Slav part is form various sources like Slovenian, Czech or Slovak)
Carpathian is Verenich sample for Ukrainian Boyko. But it's just a proxy for Slovak probably.

Here are my Fathers results. All ancestors come from between Nitra and Topolcany. he has no german or Hungarian names in his family tree to late 1700s early 1800s

Population

Amerindian
-
Arabian
-
Armenian
1.96
Basque
3.94
Central_African
-
Central_Euro
5.71
East_African
-
East_Asian
-
East_Balkan
4.01
East_Central_Asian
-
East_Central_Euro
15.75
East_Med
4.45
Eastern_Euro
15.74
Fennoscandian
12.33
French
4.82
Iberian
4.05
Indo-Chinese
-
Italian
4.88
Malayan
-
Near_Eastern
-
North_African
-
North_Atlantic
7.79
North_Caucasian
-
North_Sea
12.50
Northeast_African
-
Oceanian
-
Omotic
-
Pygmy
-
Siberian
-
South_Asian
-
South_Central_Asian
-
South_Chinese
-
Volga-Ural
1.84
West_African
-
West_Caucasian
-
West_Med
0.21

**Karol Klačansky** · 04-11-2017, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by Litvin

And there are also Austrians with only German surnames who still have a lot of Slavic ancestry.

Just to mention user Noricum who scores more "Baltic" than "North Atlantic" in Eurogenes K13:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 34.42
2 North_Atlantic 34.35
3 West_Med 13.15
4 East_Med 10.84
5 West_Asian 3.82
6 South_Asian 1.43
7 Red_Sea 1.4
8 Siberian 0.39
9 Oceanian 0.11
10 Northeast_African 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian 4.51
2 East_German 5.57
3 Austrian 6.17
4 Croatian 7.58
5 South_Polish 9.05
6 Moldavian 10.31
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.7
8 Ukrainian 11.25
9 Serbian 11.27
10 Polish 12.4
11 West_German 13.61
12 North_Swedish 13.62
13 Southwest_Finnish 14.2
14 North_German 14.48
15 South_Dutch 14.63
16 Southwest_Russian 15.11
17 Russian_Smolensk 15.46
18 Swedish 15.57
19 Romanian 15.67
20 Belorussian 15.69

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.6% Belorussian + 37.4% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.89
2 60.4% Belorussian + 39.6% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.9
3 62.4% Belorussian + 37.6% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.9
4 60.5% Belorussian + 39.5% Portuguese @ 3.14
5 53.1% Belorussian + 46.9% French @ 3.24
6 61.5% Belorussian + 38.5% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.32
7 54.1% Southwest_Russian + 45.9% French @ 3.39
8 62.5% Belorussian + 37.5% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.4
9 53.1% Estonian_Polish + 46.9% French @ 3.42
10 64.3% Belorussian + 35.7% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.42
11 75.5% South_Polish + 24.5% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.46
12 75.3% South_Polish + 24.7% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.5
13 73.8% South_Polish + 26.2% Portuguese @ 3.54
14 67.5% South_Polish + 32.5% French @ 3.54
15 63.6% Belorussian + 36.4% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.57
16 73.8% South_Polish + 26.2% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.57
17 74.6% South_Polish + 25.4% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.58
18 60.5% Estonian_Polish + 39.5% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.64
19 57.5% Estonian + 42.5% North_Italian @ 3.65
20 62.8% Estonian_Polish + 37.2% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.75

^^^ And in DNA Land he scores:

49% North Slavic
25% North-West Euro
14% Balkan
4% Ambiguous Southern Euro
6% Sardinian
2% Ambiguous

I asked him whether he is ethnically Slovene (part of Carinthian Slovenes):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carinthian_Slovenes

But he replied that he is German and not aware of any recent Slavic ancestry:

"No, I'm not a Carinthian Slovene. I sure turn out very Slavic in these tests and I very likely have a lot of (Alpine) Slavic ancestry further back. But I do not speak Slovene or any Slovene local Carinthian dialect nor do I have any known ancestors with Slovene surnames. Koroških just means Carinthian in slovene language, could be ethnic German or ethnic Slovene. And all my known ancestors are German-speakers from Carinthia and Styria."

I know many people from kärnten. He is just oblivious to his Slovene ancestry as almost all of them claim to have some Slovene ancestry and some I knew were full slovenes ethnically but had German surnames at least they told me this

**Lucas** · 04-11-2017, 11:41 AM

Here are my Fathers results. All ancestors come from between Nitra and Topolcany. he has no german or Hungarian names in his family tree to late 1700s early 1800s

In least square-method Slovak as closest population.
Strange that there isn't Slovak in population aproximations.

Carpathian in Gaussian method is Carpathian Ukrainian (Boyko) so maybe proxy for East Slovakia here.

I think if he doesn't have East-Med in such percentage he would be score as South Pole as well. I verify that in second part of the post.

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Slovak @ 10,042351
2 PL_Upper_sliesia @ 10,056028
3 PL_SE_Carpathia @ 10,111813
4 Czechs_Moravians @ 10,226412
5 PL_average @ 10,922969
6 Ukrainian_West @ 10,980019
7 Pl_Kashubians @ 11,123721
8 PL_South_Poland @ 11,126515
9 Russian_Don_Cossack @ 11,826059
10 German_Prussia @ 11,950551

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 German+Russian_Novgorod_Pskov @ 7,681814
2 German+Latvian @ 7,722499
3 Sweden-1+Ukrainian_East @ 7,742684
4 Russian_Kursk+Sweden-1 @ 7,750204
5 German_Volga+Russian_Meshtchyora @ 7,752183
6 Russian_Smolensk+Sweden-1 @ 7,8612
7 German_Austria+Russian_Novgorod_Pskov @ 7,865894
8 Russian_Novgorod_Pskov+British_mixed @ 7,876235
9 Latvian+Man_Isle @ 7,899855
10 Russian_Oryol+Sweden-1 @ 7,901084

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% German_Prussia +25% Greek_Macedonia +25% Russian_Pinega @ 6,064037
2 50% German_Prussia +25% Bulgarian +25% Russian_Pinega @ 6,132944
3 50% German_Prussia +25% Estonian +25% Greek_Macedonia @ 6,235252
4 50% German_Prussia +25% Montenegrian +25% Russian_Pinega @ 6,253063
5 50% German_Prussia +25% Russian_Pinega +25% Serbian @ 6,296274
6 50% German_Prussia +25% Estonian +25% GR_Pontic @ 6,304625
7 50% German_Prussia +25% Bulgarian +25% Estonian @ 6,310266
8 50% German_Prussia +25% Greek_Macedonia +25% Russian_North @ 6,31496
9 50% German_Prussia +25% Russian_Pinega +25% GR_Pontic @ 6,323903
10 50% German_Prussia +25% Macedonian +25% Russian_Pinega @ 6,343915

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Latvian+Russian_Vyatka+Serbian+Scotland @ 5,745971
2 Latvian+Sweden-2+GR_Pontic+German_Prussia @ 5,831811
3 Russian_Novgorod_Pskov+Russian_Vyatka+Serbian+Scot land @ 5,860493
4 Greek_Macedonia+Latvian+Russian_Vyatka+Scotland @ 5,872027
5 Latvian+Montenegrian+Russian_Vyatka+Scotland @ 5,87251
6 Latvian+Russian_Vyatka+Serbian+British_mixed @ 5,885404
7 Bosnian+Russian_Vyatka+Sweden-1+German_Prussia @ 5,933421
8 Bulgarian+Latvian+Russian_Vyatka+Scotland @ 5,945644
9 Latvian+Russian_Perm+Serbian+Scotland @ 5,976319
10 Bosnian+Russian_Novgorod_Pskov+Russian_Vyatka+Scot land @ 5,98259

Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0,130062

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Slovenian @ 5,044569
2 Slovak @ 5,340793
3 Croatian @ 5,503867
4 Bosnian @ 5,637184
5 Ukrainian_West @ 5,919247
6 Carpathian @ 6,098815
7 Serbian @ 6,201772
8 Russian_Don_Cossack @ 6,464701
9 PL_SE_Carpathia @ 6,472109
10 Moldavian @ 6,493058
11 Austria @ 6,611924
12 Czechs_Moravians @ 6,682588

Carpathian in Gaussian method is Carpthan Ukrainian so maybe proxy for East Slovaka here.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Carpathian+Sweden-2 @ 3,801259
2 Carpathian+Pl_Kashubians @ 3,978109
3 Carpathian+Sweden-1 @ 4,145926
4 Carpathian+German_Prussia @ 4,244789
5 Carpathian+PL_Mazovia_Podlasie @ 4,255365
6 Carpathian+Latvian @ 4,269104
7 Carpathian+PL_Sudovia @ 4,306982
8 Carpathian+PL_average @ 4,31154
9 Carpathian+PL_SE_Carpathia @ 4,37742
10 Carpathian+PL_Upper_sliesia @ 4,377594

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Carpathian +25% Latvian +25% Sweden-2 @ 3,636825
2 50% Carpathian +25% Lithuanian +25% Sweden-2 @ 3,694206
3 50% Carpathian +25% Sweden-2 +25% PL_Sudovia @ 3,695393
4 50% Carpathian +25% Sweden-2 +25% German_Prussia @ 3,724939
5 50% Carpathian +25% Sweden-2 +25% Pl_Kashubians @ 3,727596
6 50% Carpathian +25% Sweden-2 +25% PL_Mazovia_Podlasie @ 3,758275
7 50% Carpathian +25% Russian_Novgorod_Pskov +25% Sweden-2 @ 3,791568
8 50% Carpathian +25% Latvian +25% Sweden-1 @ 3,793664
9 50% Carpathian +25% Sweden-2 +25% Sweden-2 @ 3,801259
10 50% Carpathian +25% Sweden-2 +25% PL_Upper_sliesia @ 3,825282

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Carpathian+Carpathian+Latvian+Sweden-2 @ 3,636825
2 Carpathian+Carpathian+Lithuanian+Sweden-2 @ 3,694206
3 Carpathian+Carpathian+Sweden-2+PL_Sudovia @ 3,695393
4 Carpathian+Carpathian+Sweden-2+German_Prussia @ 3,724939
5 Carpathian+Carpathian+Sweden-2+Pl_Kashubians @ 3,727596
6 Carpathian+Carpathian+Sweden-2+PL_Mazovia_Podlasie @ 3,758275
7 Carpathian+Carpathian+Russian_Novgorod_Pskov+Swede n-2 @ 3,791568
8 Carpathian+Carpathian+Latvian+Sweden-1 @ 3,793664
9 Carpathian+Carpathian+Sweden-2+Sweden-2 @ 3,801259
10 Carpathian+Sweden-2+PL_SE_Carpathia+German_Prussia @ 3,82124

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Yes if I took his East-Med and add 4,45% in East_central Euro he would score as a Pole.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Pl_Kashubians @ 7,008551
2 PL_average @ 7,085894
3 PL_Upper_sliesia @ 7,374774
4 PL_SE_Carpathia @ 7,595046
5 PL_South_Poland @ 8,554938
6 Ukrainian_West @ 8,87388
7 Slovak @ 9,165884
8 Czechs_Moravians @ 9,324412
9 PL_Mazovia_Podlasie @ 9,436969

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 German_Austria+Latvian @ 5,748849
2 PL_SE_Carpathia+Pl_Kashubians @ 6,094069
3 PL_Upper_sliesia+Pl_Kashubians @ 6,123347

Using 1 population approximation:
1 PL_Upper_sliesia @ 3,366984
2 PL_SE_Carpathia @ 3,573825
3 PL_Mazovia_Podlasie @ 3,702734
4 Russian_Oryol @ 3,828022
5 PL_average @ 3,833485
6 Ukrainian_East @ 3,895681
7 PL_South_Poland @ 3,971035
8 Ukrainian_West @ 4,1071
9 Czechs_Moravians @ 4,17437
10 Russian_Smolensk @ 4,25691

So just little percentage change everything. Interesting.

**Karol Klačansky** · 04-11-2017, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by mlukas

In least square-method Slovak as closest population.
Strange that there isn't Slovak in population aproximations.

Carpathian in Gaussian method is Carpthan Ukrainian so maybe proxy for East Slovaka here.

I think if he doesn't have East-Med in such percentage he would be score as South Pole as well. I verify that in second part of the post.

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Slovak @ 10,042351
2 PL_Upper_sliesia @ 10,056028
3 PL_SE_Carpathia @ 10,111813
4 Czechs_Moravians @ 10,226412
5 PL_average @ 10,922969
6 Ukrainian_West @ 10,980019
7 Pl_Kashubians @ 11,123721
8 PL_South_Poland @ 11,126515
9 Russian_Don_Cossack @ 11,826059
10 German_Prussia @ 11,950551

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 German+Russian_Novgorod_Pskov @ 7,681814
2 German+Latvian @ 7,722499
3 Sweden-1+Ukrainian_East @ 7,742684
4 Russian_Kursk+Sweden-1 @ 7,750204
5 German_Volga+Russian_Meshtchyora @ 7,752183
6 Russian_Smolensk+Sweden-1 @ 7,8612
7 German_Austria+Russian_Novgorod_Pskov @ 7,865894
8 Russian_Novgorod_Pskov+British_mixed @ 7,876235
9 Latvian+Man_Isle @ 7,899855
10 Russian_Oryol+Sweden-1 @ 7,901084

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% German_Prussia +25% Greek_Macedonia +25% Russian_Pinega @ 6,064037
2 50% German_Prussia +25% Bulgarian +25% Russian_Pinega @ 6,132944
3 50% German_Prussia +25% Estonian +25% Greek_Macedonia @ 6,235252
4 50% German_Prussia +25% Montenegrian +25% Russian_Pinega @ 6,253063
5 50% German_Prussia +25% Russian_Pinega +25% Serbian @ 6,296274
6 50% German_Prussia +25% Estonian +25% GR_Pontic @ 6,304625
7 50% German_Prussia +25% Bulgarian +25% Estonian @ 6,310266
8 50% German_Prussia +25% Greek_Macedonia +25% Russian_North @ 6,31496
9 50% German_Prussia +25% Russian_Pinega +25% GR_Pontic @ 6,323903
10 50% German_Prussia +25% Macedonian +25% Russian_Pinega @ 6,343915

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Latvian+Russian_Vyatka+Serbian+Scotland @ 5,745971
2 Latvian+Sweden-2+GR_Pontic+German_Prussia @ 5,831811
3 Russian_Novgorod_Pskov+Russian_Vyatka+Serbian+Scot land @ 5,860493
4 Greek_Macedonia+Latvian+Russian_Vyatka+Scotland @ 5,872027
5 Latvian+Montenegrian+Russian_Vyatka+Scotland @ 5,87251
6 Latvian+Russian_Vyatka+Serbian+British_mixed @ 5,885404
7 Bosnian+Russian_Vyatka+Sweden-1+German_Prussia @ 5,933421
8 Bulgarian+Latvian+Russian_Vyatka+Scotland @ 5,945644
9 Latvian+Russian_Perm+Serbian+Scotland @ 5,976319
10 Bosnian+Russian_Novgorod_Pskov+Russian_Vyatka+Scot land @ 5,98259

Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0,130062

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Slovenian @ 5,044569
2 Slovak @ 5,340793
3 Croatian @ 5,503867
4 Bosnian @ 5,637184
5 Ukrainian_West @ 5,919247
6 Carpathian @ 6,098815
7 Serbian @ 6,201772
8 Russian_Don_Cossack @ 6,464701
9 PL_SE_Carpathia @ 6,472109
10 Moldavian @ 6,493058
11 Austria @ 6,611924
12 Czechs_Moravians @ 6,682588

Carpathian in Gaussian method is Carpthan Ukrainian so maybe proxy for East Slovaka here.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Carpathian+Sweden-2 @ 3,801259
2 Carpathian+Pl_Kashubians @ 3,978109
3 Carpathian+Sweden-1 @ 4,145926
4 Carpathian+German_Prussia @ 4,244789
5 Carpathian+PL_Mazovia_Podlasie @ 4,255365
6 Carpathian+Latvian @ 4,269104
7 Carpathian+PL_Sudovia @ 4,306982
8 Carpathian+PL_average @ 4,31154
9 Carpathian+PL_SE_Carpathia @ 4,37742
10 Carpathian+PL_Upper_sliesia @ 4,377594

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Carpathian +25% Latvian +25% Sweden-2 @ 3,636825
2 50% Carpathian +25% Lithuanian +25% Sweden-2 @ 3,694206
3 50% Carpathian +25% Sweden-2 +25% PL_Sudovia @ 3,695393
4 50% Carpathian +25% Sweden-2 +25% German_Prussia @ 3,724939
5 50% Carpathian +25% Sweden-2 +25% Pl_Kashubians @ 3,727596
6 50% Carpathian +25% Sweden-2 +25% PL_Mazovia_Podlasie @ 3,758275
7 50% Carpathian +25% Russian_Novgorod_Pskov +25% Sweden-2 @ 3,791568
8 50% Carpathian +25% Latvian +25% Sweden-1 @ 3,793664
9 50% Carpathian +25% Sweden-2 +25% Sweden-2 @ 3,801259
10 50% Carpathian +25% Sweden-2 +25% PL_Upper_sliesia @ 3,825282

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Carpathian+Carpathian+Latvian+Sweden-2 @ 3,636825
2 Carpathian+Carpathian+Lithuanian+Sweden-2 @ 3,694206
3 Carpathian+Carpathian+Sweden-2+PL_Sudovia @ 3,695393
4 Carpathian+Carpathian+Sweden-2+German_Prussia @ 3,724939
5 Carpathian+Carpathian+Sweden-2+Pl_Kashubians @ 3,727596
6 Carpathian+Carpathian+Sweden-2+PL_Mazovia_Podlasie @ 3,758275
7 Carpathian+Carpathian+Russian_Novgorod_Pskov+Swede n-2 @ 3,791568
8 Carpathian+Carpathian+Latvian+Sweden-1 @ 3,793664
9 Carpathian+Carpathian+Sweden-2+Sweden-2 @ 3,801259
10 Carpathian+Sweden-2+PL_SE_Carpathia+German_Prussia @ 3,82124

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Yes if I took his East-Med and add 4,45% in East_central Euro he would score as a Pole.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Pl_Kashubians @ 7,008551
2 PL_average @ 7,085894
3 PL_Upper_sliesia @ 7,374774
4 PL_SE_Carpathia @ 7,595046
5 PL_South_Poland @ 8,554938
6 Ukrainian_West @ 8,87388
7 Slovak @ 9,165884
8 Czechs_Moravians @ 9,324412
9 PL_Mazovia_Podlasie @ 9,436969

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 German_Austria+Latvian @ 5,748849
2 PL_SE_Carpathia+Pl_Kashubians @ 6,094069
3 PL_Upper_sliesia+Pl_Kashubians @ 6,123347

Using 1 population approximation:
1 PL_Upper_sliesia @ 3,366984
2 PL_SE_Carpathia @ 3,573825
3 PL_Mazovia_Podlasie @ 3,702734
4 Russian_Oryol @ 3,828022
5 PL_average @ 3,833485
6 Ukrainian_East @ 3,895681
7 PL_South_Poland @ 3,971035
8 Ukrainian_West @ 4,1071
9 Czechs_Moravians @ 4,17437
10 Russian_Smolensk @ 4,25691

So just little percentage change everything. Interesting.

Extremely interesting. So basically Slovaks are like poles but with more balkanic influence. My father looks like a slavic/med mix (pic under)

He was a handsome chap

**Lucas** · 04-11-2017, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by karol.klacansky

Extremely interesting. So basically Slovaks are like poles but with more balkanic influence. My father looks like a slavic/med mix (pic under)

He was a handsome chap ]

IT seems so. From geography of the region it's the most logical explanation.

Father looks Medish/Pontid influneced.