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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    So this means the population in Sicily as of 6000 BC has been almost completely replaced, since WHG ancestry is very low there. The next wave of migration from the Caucasus must then be the predominant one.
    It's the case for anybody in any country, just the replacement here was likely total in the last 6000 years. Im not that surprised though they were WHG's roaming in Sicily like everywhere else even if it might be hard to imagine in our modern conceptions, Europe was extremely homogeneous in that era.

    They still have some HG related ancestry but less than even Sardinia, so the likely scenario was total replacement of the WHG's by neolithic (who carried some early branch of HG), then another layer on top of something in the Copper Age - Bronze Age but genetically very different from the Beakers or steppe like people and whith no re emergence of local HG like in most parts of Europe. The last stage probably explains most of the difference we see today in the continent.


    As for Greece, it was the first thing that caught my eyes on the pca and admix run, now im actually reading the paper, it's explained further there :

    Early Greek Neolithic was different: "four southern Greek (Peloponnese) Neolithic individuals – three from Diros Cave and onefrom Franchthi Cave, plus one previously published individual from Diros – are not consistent with descending from the same source population as other European farmers...have less WHG related ancestry than Anatolia Neolithic ones...suggesting an independent migration into Europe from a population that split off from the ancestors of the northwest Anatolian individuals from which we have data... their Near Eastern ancestry is derived from a lineage that is close, or basal, to the non-WHG component of Anatolian Neolithic ancestry. One possibility is that this independent migration is related to an earlier Aceramic Neolithic in Greece that was derived from the pre-pottery Neolithic(PPN of Cyprus and the Levant. Under this model, the earliest Neolithic populations in Greece migrated from the Levant, perhaps via the southwestern Anatolian coast as early as7000 BCE, but the majority of Neolithic ancestry arrived around 500 years later via a route that passed through northwestern Anatolia... Populations related to the Peloponnese Neolithic potentially made a small contribution to the ancestry of other Mediterranean Neolithic populations like Early NeolithicIberia and Neolithic farmers from northern Greece but we do not strongly reject models395 without such a contribution (Supplementary Information, section 3).
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    worth mentioning:

    one I2a1 found in Serbia
    2 individuals belonging to Y-DNA T in Bulgaria
    one R1b Z2105 in Croatia

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    Father clade of I2a Dinaric
    cosmoo gothic stronk
    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Croatian +50% Serbian @ 2.265001

    Quote Originally Posted by The Destroyer
    how come the age of I2a2 Din subclade exactly coincides with the age of Bosnian Pyramids?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    worth mentioning:

    one I2a1 found in Serbia
    2 individuals belonging to Y-DNA T in Bulgaria
    one R1b Z2105 in Croatia
    what subclade of i2a1 and T

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    @Tee

    I2a1 P37.2, ancestor of I-M423

    and T1a1

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    ,,,
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    - Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tee View Post
    what subclade of i2a1 and T
    It is not known.

    But probably it is some I2a1b?

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    The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa Nazione View Post
    Father clade of I2a Dinaric
    cosmoo gothic stronk
    DAKINGINDANORF confirmed?
    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
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    I2a1 P37.2, ancestor of I-M423

    and T1a1
    I2a1 P37.2 is ancestor to many different branches which are separated by more than 18.000 years, not just to M423, which was far, far from Serbia at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmoo View Post
    DAKINGINDANORF confirmed?
    I1 KINGINDASWAMPS

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Croatian +50% Serbian @ 2.265001

    Quote Originally Posted by The Destroyer
    how come the age of I2a2 Din subclade exactly coincides with the age of Bosnian Pyramids?

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