The Genomic History Of Southeastern Europe

[ADonkeyBrain]

XenophobicBOrussian is right about projection bias but he muddles things when he starts talking about "southern" this and "northern" that. He should stick to talking about roughly what the axes seem to show, Basal-less vs Basal-more and ANE-less vs ANE-more.

Here you can see where those "southern"-looking Hungarian and Balkan (Croatian-Bulgarian) Bronze and Iron Age samples would roughly fall in a PCA with no projection bias ("PC scores of projected individuals are often biased toward zero relative to individuals used to compute PCs. This has the effect of shrinking the plot of projected data." - http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v...012258a.html):



Black circle = ancient samples, plotting roughly with some Spaniards - North Italians - some Tuscans
Red = central-northern Greeks - Albanians - Bulgarians
Green = Croatians - Hungarians
Black lines = delineating where Sardinians and EEF are

To get to the South Balkans, and Bronze-Iron Age Albania-Greece-Aegean remain unsampled mind you, you need something extra that pushes you towards ANE-more then something that pushes you towards Basal-less for the Northern Balkans - or both at the same time for the latter; and even for the earlier group, it was probably a bit of tug-of-war since PCA simplifies these things. We can call those populations "Anatolians" and "Slavs" in a generic sense, considering historical ties with the Balkans, while including in them all sorts of populations that have similar proportions. We also have no clue when and how gradually this shift happened, yet.

Another interesting question is why XBOX is spending so much time on this instead of worrying about the comparatively much more massive population turnovers happening elsewhere. Presumably a combination of huwhite is right and his hatred of the WOP and the ANE! But psychoanalyzing aside, when a man is right - a man is right.

Also, please someone tell LABERIA that he very likely has prosfig blood in him, thanks.

[The Destroyer]

Where I2a1b most likely expanded from:

It's just a theory. You can't confirm that yet.

[Faklon]

Only 3 Malak_Presvalets samples approach Iberians as being notably WHG shifted, the fault in using this plot is that it predates the lesser WHG-afiliated Anatolian farmer samples, you should at least combine it with this one:



Which ultimately pulls Balkan Bronze and Iron Age further away from iberians, I think nightrider's placement was on spot.

I take it you don't like Polako's Eurogenes calculators?

Polrebby is my favorite anthropological type, however the polrebby trooper as mighty as he can be, he's a stubborn specimen.

I don't give a fuck what you think piss of shit, we are right between Tuscans, Thessaly & Bulgaria.
Plotting near North Italians or Spanish would be the last thing happening for an Albanian so shut your fucking mouth, sperging negropolreby.

Wp but as explained before the negropolreby is a mighty trooper, xppp, obvious from his defence mechanisms and eternal coping, is spiritually Sikeliotid. All together resulting in the absolute red-pilled incel specimen.

I didn't claim modern Balkanites are BA Balkanites+Turks, those are Faklon's words

Why don't you quote me in person?

I didn't mention anything about modern Balkanites being a mix of BA Balkanites and Turks, I said that Polako's (whom you have been following) mantra is that modern Balkanites have multiple "MENA" and "North Slavic" influences raising their CHG and ANE scores which in order pulls them further away from Iberians. Are you suggesting that you had another theory in mind when you came in here nigging WE WUZ DINARICS?

[Dick]

Congrats to my distant cousin Xhak "the J2erk" Bauër for becoming a confirmed True Illyrian.

[Wrong]

Congrats to my distant cousin Xhak "the J2erk" Bauër for becoming a confirmed True Illyrian.

[Rethel]

True Illyrian.

True Illyrian is R1.

[Dick]

True Illyrian is R1.

Not according to this study. Re-read the whole thread

[Rethel]

Not according to this study. Re-read the whole thread

Where did you read, that Illyrians, when they came into Balkans,
where non-IE speakers and I2, and what evidence you have for
it, if they did not remain any lingustic trace?

If someone will say, that Q9 is polish becasue it has the highest
density in Suwałki, it doesn't mean, that Poles, and especially
Polans are Q or Amersyberindians. It simply does exist here.

[Dick]

Where did you read, that Illyrians, when they came into Balkans,
where non-IE speakers and I2, and what evidence you have for
it, if they did not remain any lingustic trace?

Your english is pathetic. I barely understand what you're trying to say to me.

[Rethel]

Your english is pathetic. I barely understand what you're trying to say to me.

So, learn polish, and we'll talk like humans... Oh, I forgot, that you are unable to learn...