Haplogroup J1 in Europe.

[Transhumanist]

J1 originated in Arabia and it was spread by Semitic conquests. This why Yemenites, Bedouins, Iraqis have large J1 lineage. Since they are all of the same genetic stock. J1 lineages drop in Northern Iraq and in the non-Semitic world in general. J2 seems to be associated with Persians and it's not Semitic probably it originated in the Mesopotamia and spread into Iran especially Western Iran where it is the dominant lineage. Neolithic, Arab conquest, and Jewish migration might have played a role in bringing this lineage to Europe. Most likely it's the Neolithic and possibly Jewish migration.

Here is an interesting article

In Arabia, J1c3 has extreme high frequency and low haplotype diversity. Furthermore, there is a significant lack of J1 type diversity in Arabia. No academic continues to support a J1 origin in Arabia.

[Grumpy Cat]

Is he tested with 23andMe only? How about FTDNA?

Just 23andme.

[El Palleter]

It could be Phoenician in certain places at least:

It's highly unlikely that ancient Phoenicians would have had J1 other than as admixture.

Modern Lebanese have it by way of the Arab conquest.

[Agrippa]

It's highly unlikely that ancient Phoenicians would have had J1 other than as admixture.

Modern Lebanese have it by way of the Arab conquest.

Well, I'm not sure about that, but probably we will know when they analysed actual Phoenician remains.

I think they will find J1, but ok, that's my opinion based on the facts I know and intuition added to that, proof means testing.

[Transhumanist]

Just a note to add that many varieties of J1 in Europe may have absolutely nothing to do with either Arab conquests or Jewish migrations. The highest haplotype diversity for both J1c3 and J1* are found among Caucasians (eg peoples of Dagestan), Anatolians (eg Armenians) and northern Mesopotamians (eg Assyrians). This area may also be the home to the R-M269 mutation. Not to mention, other types of Y-DNA now found with some degree of frequency in European men.

The emergence of Y-chromosome haplogroup J1e among Arabic-speaking populations (Chiaroni et al.)

Parallel Evolution of Genes and Languages in the Caucasus Region (Balanovsky et al.)

Dienekes made this statement, I believe, for the first time, after the Balanovsky paper referred to above was published last month. He made a similar statement yesterday, on another forum (attachment). It was with regard to the origin of R-M269. If this is indeed correct, at least some types of J1 (among other hg types) may have accompanied R-M269 as it spread west. These migrations may also help to explain some of the autosomal components now observed in Europeans, in modest, low, or nearly negligible amounts.

Dodecad v3 West Asian Populations (principally):

POP	East_E	West_Eu	Medit	Neo_Af	West_A	So_Asi	No_Asi	Se_Asi	E_Afri	Sw_Asia	Nw_Afri	Pal_Af
GEO	4.1	5	17	0	72.3	0.1	0.5	0.4	0	0.5	0.1	0
LEZ	3.8	24.3	1.1	0	64.6	2.6	1.8	0.4	0	1.3	0	0
ADY	6.7	15.7	8.3	0	62.9	0.4	3.1	2.4	0	0.4	0.1	0
ARM	0.8	2.1	29	0	54	1.6	0.1	0.1	0.1	12.2	0.1	0
ASY	0.3	0.7	26.3	0	50.6	2.2	0.1	0.2	0	19.4	0	0
IRN	3.9	6	15.4	0.2	49.3	9.8	2	1.5	0.1	11.7	0.1	0
TUR	5.6	5.9	29.4	0.3	42.7	1.9	2.4	2.5	0.5	8.4	0.4	0.1

The highest frequencies (and haplotype diversity) of R-M269 in the Near East are found in Armenians, Assyrians, and NW Iranians. This is a relatively small area, with its center in the neighborhood of Lake Urmia, Iran.

Not a spoiler per se, but a bit of extra, perhaps unnecessary detail, regarding Lake Urmia:

Spoiler!

On a personal note, Lake Urmia is the birthplace of my grandmother. It takes its name from "city" in Sumerian (Ur), and "water" in Assyrian-Aramaic (mia). So, basically, city of water, or city by the water.

[safinator]

I wonder what's the phenotype of Phoenicians?

[Agrippa]

Mostly Eastmediterranid I'd assume, with Armenoid, Alpinoid and Arabid tendencies. Pretty much like the old residents there today.

[El Palleter]

Well, I'm not sure about that, but probably we will know when they analysed actual Phoenician remains.

So you admit that you were speculating with no bases whatsoever (read, bullshitting)

I think they will find J1, but ok, that's my opinion based on the facts I know and intuition added to that, proof means testing.

You mean you hope? Still as admixture, more or less.

Mostly Eastmediterranid I'd assume, with Armenoid, Alpinoid and Arabid tendencies. Pretty much like the old residents there today.

sure

[Agrippa]

So you admit that you were speculating with no bases whatsoever (read, bullshitting)

All Semites show J1, J1 was present in the region early on, so it is not "based on nothing", but rather the most likely scenario.

But the final proof can only be a tested historic sample, because even if J1 would be present where they were, you can't be sure they actually spread it in the region X before you haven't tested THEIR REMAINS and probably compared those with the pre-Phoenician inhabitants.

[El Palleter]

Well, I'm not sure about that, but probably we will know when they analysed actual Phoenician remains.

Of course you're never sure of anything yet you always speculate about everything you don't know.

Why should anyone believe that you're not the biggest internet bullshitter?

I think they will find J1, but ok, that's my opinion based on the facts I know and intuition added to that, proof means testing.

Intuition and facts are two very different things. Can't you get that much?