Poland-Germany border, most interesting thing ever

[Antimage]

Many people in eastern part of Europe are ashamed of having some German ancestry, and that is wrong.

It is now very fashionable to spit on Germans and Germany, but actually it's rather pathetic.

Who? Where?Hungarians(those who have) are usually proud of having german ancestry, sometimes they even boast about it

[Jana]

Hungarians are usually proud of having german ancestry, sometimes they even boast about it

Maybe average Joes, but self-conscious nationalists are more like Litvin.

Germans who remained outside of Germany after ww2 had to be quiet, completely lost national feeling and were assimilated into societies of commie countries.
Commies helped that Germans develop huge guilt complex and try to lose their identity as fast as possile. Many of German-origin Croats I Knew are timid people with no pride in their heritage and leftist ideas... and they deny their German origins.

[Antimage]

and they deny their German origins.

Not the case in today Hungary. Germans are usually associated with positive qualities. Or at least it used to be like that until recently when the opinions started to be more mixed because of Germany's policies. I have heard german or part german people here say stuff like "I made it far beause I'm hard working and precise and I owe these attributes to my german ancestry&culture"

[Peterski]

Maybe that is the case with Prussian germans, but what about Volga Germans, Transylvanian Saxons etc? http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-SrZePx0URW...stsiedlung.jpg

Volga Germans came from South-West Germany to Russia in the 1700s and the 1800s.

So they are relatively recent immigrants in Russia, so they have western genetic profiles.

But many of them mixed with Russians even during that short time.

Klaus Johannis(Romania's president) is a Transylvanian Saxon and he looks German imo (rather than Romanian)

In this photo he looks Polish.

[Karol Klačansky]

Many people in eastern part of Europe are ashamed of having some German ancestry, and that is wrong.

It is now very fashionable to spit on Germans and Germany, but actually it's rather pathetic.

Well if Germans didn't behave like animals during WW2 and didn't have such an elitist attitude maybe people would be more proud

[Peterski]

Litvin the know-it-all is finally, unmistakably wrong.

I have seen dozens of American PCA plots and they almost all (with the exception of some bizzare minority cases) plot here:



^ Anglo+German combo would explain it well.

American = English + Central Euro hybrid. Period.

Polish-Americans definitely don't plot there.

I have over 50 Polish-American GEDmatch kits.

[Dolofonos]

In this photo he looks Polish.

Nah, Johannis males are I-M253 or I1 on Ftdna.

[Peterski]

Nah, Johannis males are I-M253 or I1 on Ftdna.

Like around 15% of Polish males.

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By the way:

I calculated average GEDmatch results of an average inhabitant of areas between modern western border of Poland and pre-war eastern border of Poland. I did this by creating a weighted average based on pre-war ethnic structure:



Approximate ethnic structure of that area (present-day Poland and pre-war Poland) in 1930 was:

Poles (mix of regions*) -- 55%
Germans East ------------ 20%
Ukrainians West ---------- 9%
Rusyns Carpathian ------- 3.5%
Belarusians West -------- 2.5%
Belarusians Polesia ------ 2%
Ashkenazi Jews --------- 7.5%
Lithuanians -------------- 0.5%

*As you know, K36 Oracle has several regional Polish references. Instead of using one average for Poles, I used regional averages in proportions similar to population size of each region, to make my estimate more accurate.

[Dolofonos]

Like around 15% of Polish males.
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There is more I1 in the Balkans than in Poland.

[Rethel]

In Poland the elite were nobles - and nobles were never obsessed with German culture.

Oh, come on!
Your issues with Mahnölchen are now influenced polish history?

It depends on time - in Middle Ages they were very pro-german.
Why do you think silesian principalities become germanized?
Becasue bauers influenced dukes and knights?

I want to make you aware, that majority of
noble terminology comes from German language.

Rycerz, herb, szlachta, lenno, łan, hołd, alodium, aso...

In later times were two schools: one was oriented on Orient
implementing everything from the east and following every fashion
from Bakczysaray and Konstantinopole, and second was orineted on
the West, mostly German and later french modesty.