Pure Caucasoid is a " Myth ". Turks, North Africans are less Caucasoid than South Asians.

[ButlerKing]

The entire premise is trying to deny Non-Caucasoid admixture with upper caste South Asians.

http://racialreality.blogspot.ca/201...-of-india.html Hate this blog all you want, he uses sources from other sites.

DNA evidence confirms what historians, linguists and anthropologists have long known but nationalists have denied: that Indians are mainly a mix of indigenous Australoids and intrusive Caucasoids. They're composed of two genetic components, one related to Andaman Islanders and the other to Western Eurasians, which is higher in upper castes. The estimated dates of admixture between the two are consistent with the introduction of Indo-Aryan languages from the northwest and probably also earlier events related to the spread of Dravidian languages and even agriculture.

You can keep citing a dumbass pseudo-scientist blogger. Yes he uses sources from other sites but the problem are his interpretations of the sources that he made up. Australoid is a stupid label that covers many different dark skinned anthropologically types.

As for Caucasoid purity , it doesn't exist especially not your Italians anyway and it doesn't matter if you're north or south because neither of you have pure genetic structure.


Population Sub-Saharan African (>1%°)

African American 79.4%
Portugal 3.2%
Spain 2.4%
S. Italy 2.7%
Greece 1.9%
Sardinia 2.9%
N. Italy 1.1%
Sephardic Jews 4.8%
Ashkenazi Jews 3.2%

From the same study, estimates of Sub-Saharan African admixture proportions in Europe using STRUCTURE :

Population Sub-Saharan African (>0.1%°)

African American 77.2%
Portugal 2.1%
Spain 1.1%
S. Italy 1.7%
N. Italy 0.2% <-still not pure
Sardinia 0.2%
Sephardic Jews 4.3%
Ashkenazi Jews 2.6%

[MagnusAurelius]

You can keep citing a dumbass pseudo-scientist blogger. Yes he uses sources from other sites but the problem are his interpretations of the sources that he made up. Australoid is a stupid label that covers many different dark skinned anthropologically types.

As for Caucasoid purity , it doesn't exist especially not your Italians anyway and it doesn't matter if you're north or south because neither of you have pure genetic structure.


Population Sub-Saharan African (>1%°)

African American 79.4%
Portugal 3.2%
Spain 2.4%
S. Italy 2.7%
Greece 1.9%
Sardinia 2.9%
N. Italy 1.1%
Sephardic Jews 4.8%
Ashkenazi Jews 3.2%

From the same study, estimates of Sub-Saharan African admixture proportions in Europe using STRUCTURE :

Population Sub-Saharan African (>0.1%°)

African American 77.2%
Portugal 2.1%
Spain 1.1%
S. Italy 1.7%
N. Italy 0.2% <-still not pure
Sardinia 0.2%
Sephardic Jews 4.3%
Ashkenazi Jews 2.6%

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa...ture_in_Europe

You got this from wikipedia and those figures come from this Plos Journal. It is counting pre-historic DNA from 11,700 years ago. The blog is a reliable source, you can't excuse it just because you disagree with his interpretation of the information, all the sources he uses are reliable.

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...l.pone.0139784 That chart you used comes from this, I am pretty sure they are only analyzing MTDNA (DNA from females) in this so it isn't taking the full ancestry into account.

All these figures are under 5% anyway, it's insignificant, the most racially pure South Asians have at least 10-25% Non-Caucasoid admixture. The most racially pure ones being Pakistani's, Forward Caste North Indians, some Other Backward class ethnic groups and Forward Caste South Indians. Also depends on the individual to.

http://italianthro.blogspot.ca/2014/...elli-2012.html Only using 52 AIMS here and they accounted for significantly more SSA admixture.

Then a study using 291,184 SNPs, it shows far less Sub-Saharan admixture.





Source: https://arxiv.org/abs/1312.6639v2 Ancient human genomes suggest three ancestral populations for present-day Europeans

[ButlerKing]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa...ture_in_Europe

You got this from wikipedia and those figures come from this Plos Journal. It is counting pre-historic DNA from 11,700 years ago. The blog is a reliable source, you can't excuse it just because you disagree with his interpretation of the information, all the sources he uses are reliable.

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...l.pone.0139784 That chart you used comes from this, I am pretty sure they are only analyzing MTDNA (DNA from females) in this so it isn't taking the full ancestry into account.

All these figures are under 5% anyway, it's insignificant, the most racially pure South Asians have at least 10-25% Non-Caucasoid admixture. The most racially pure ones being Pakistani's, Forward Caste North Indians, some Other Backward class ethnic groups and Forward Caste South Indians. Also depends on the individual to.

http://italianthro.blogspot.ca/2014/...elli-2012.html Only using 52 AIMS here and they accounted for significantly more SSA admixture.

Then a study using 291,184 SNPs, it shows far less Sub-Saharan admixture.





Source: https://arxiv.org/abs/1312.6639v2 Ancient human genomes suggest three ancestral populations for present-day Europeans

Did you measure the non-west Eurasian admixture in South Italians ? Your study is properly correct showing roughly 1.7% or even 2.7% Sub-Saharan admixture on South Italians and addition to that there's also East Asian admixture on the other corner the same goes for Spanish, North Italians, Sicilians

I could be wrong about your study having about the same admixture as the ones I've shown but Regardless, DNA shows you're not of pure west Eurasian.

Properly you chose the study of Italians, Spanish, Sicilians with the most European admixture as you can find. In other studies I'm sure they show even 3%. Also look at the other Europeans with East Asian admixture so I was correct when I said pure west Eurasian structure no longer exist and there's no such thing as pure Caucasoid genetically only anthropologically. South Asians are a mixture of West Eurasian and ASI , phenotypically they are mixture of Caucasoids and proto-Caucasoid traits.

Frequencies of haplogroup L lineages 1.20% to 22%

Country Region' Number tested Study %
Germany 333 Pliss et al. (2005) 1.20%
Italy Countrywide 583 Brisighelli et al. (2012) 1.20%[49]
Italy Countrywide 865 Boattini et al. (2013) 0.00%[50]
Italy Countrywide 240 Babalini et al. (2005) 0.40%[51]
Italy Tuscany 322 Achilli et al. (2007) 1.86%
Italy Tuscany 49 Plaza et al. (2003) 2.00%
Italy Latium 138 Achilli et al. (2007) 2.90%
Italy Marche 813 Achilli et al. (2007) 0.98%
Italy Central Italy 83 Plaza et al. (2003) 1.20%
Italy Lombardy 177 Achilli et al. (2007) 0.00%
Italy Piedmont 169 Achilli et al. (2007) 0.00%
Italy Sardinia 258 Pardo et al. (2012) 1.40%
Italy Sardinia 73 Plaza et al. (2003) 2.80%
Italy Sardinia 85 Sanna et al. (2011) 1.00%
Italy Sardinia (Ogliastra) 475 Fraumene C et al. (2003) 0.00%[52]
Italy Sardinia 96 Morelli et al. (1999) 0.00%
Italy Campania (South Italy) 313 Achilli et al. (2007) 0.32%
Italy Basilicata (South Italy) 92 Ottoni et al. (2009) 2.20%
Italy Apulia & Calabria (South Italy) 226 Achilli et al. (2007) 0.00%
Italy Southern Italy 115 Sarno et al. (2014) 0.00%
Italy Southern Italy 37 Plaza et al. (2003) 8.10%
Italy Sicily 106 Cali et al. (2003) 0.94%
Italy Sicily 105 Achilli et al. (2007) 1.90%
Italy Sicily 169 Plaza et al. (2003) 0.60%
Italy Sicily 198 Sarno et al. (2014) 1.01%
Italy Sicily 465 Romano et al. (2013) 0.65%[53]
South Iberia Spain & Portugal 310 Casas et al. (2006) 5.40%
Spain Countrywide 312 Álvarez et al. (2007) 2.90%
Spain Central Spain 50 Plaza et al. (2003) 4.00%
Spain North-West Spain 216 Achilli et al. (2007) 3.70%
Spain Galicia 92 Pereira et al. (2005) 3.30%
Spain Zamora 214 Álvarez et al. (2010) 4.70%
Spain Sayago 33 Álvarez et al. (2010) 8.18%
Spain Cordoba 108 Casas et al. (2006) 8.30%
Spain Huelva 135 Hernandez et al. (2014) 5.70%
Spain Catalonia 101 Álvarez-Iglesias et al. (2009) 2.97%
Spain Balearic Islands 231 Picornell et al. (2005) 2.20%
Spain Canary Islands 300 Brehm et al. (2003) 6.60%
Portugal Countrywide 594 Achilli et al. (2007) 8.90%
Portugal Countrywide 1429 Barral-Arca et al. (2016) 6.16%
Portugal Countrywide 549 Pereira et al. (2005) 6.83%
Portugal North 100 Pereira et al. (2010) 5.00%
Portugal Center 82 Pereira et al. (2010) 9.70%
Portugal Center 82 Plaza et al. (2003) 6.10%
Portugal South 195 Brehm et al. (2003) 11.30%
Portugal South 303 Achilli et al. (2007) 10.80%
Portugal Coruche 160 Pereira et al. (2010) 8.70%
Portugal Pias 75 Pereira et al. (2010) 3.90%
Portugal Alcácer do Sal 50 Pereira et al. (2010) 22.00%
Portugal Azores 179 Brehm et al. (2003) 3.40%
Portugal Madeira 155 Brehm et al. (2003) 12.90%
Portugal Madeira 153 Fernandes et al. (2006) 12.40%
Greece Crete 202 Achilli et al. (2007) 2.99%
Cyprus Cyprus 91 Irwin et al. (2008) 3.30%

[MagnusAurelius]

Did you measure the non-west Eurasian admixture in South Italians ? Your study is properly correct showing roughly 1.7% or even 2.7% Sub-Saharan admixture on South Italians and addition to that there's also East Asian admixture on the other corner the same goes for Spanish, North Italians, Sicilians

I could be wrong about your study having about the same admixture as the ones I've shown but Regardless, DNA shows you're not of pure west Eurasian.

Properly you chose the study of Italians, Spanish, Sicilians with the most European admixture as you can find. In other studies I'm sure they show even 3%. Also look at the other Europeans with East Asian admixture so I was correct when I said pure west Eurasian structure no longer exist and there's no such thing as pure Caucasoid genetically only anthropologically. South Asians are a mixture of West Eurasian and ASI , phenotypically they are mixture of Caucasoids and proto-Caucasoid traits.

Frequencies of haplogroup L lineages 1.20% to 22%

Country Region' Number tested Study %
Germany 333 Pliss et al. (2005) 1.20%
Italy Countrywide 583 Brisighelli et al. (2012) 1.20%[49]
Italy Countrywide 865 Boattini et al. (2013) 0.00%[50]
Italy Countrywide 240 Babalini et al. (2005) 0.40%[51]
Italy Tuscany 322 Achilli et al. (2007) 1.86%
Italy Tuscany 49 Plaza et al. (2003) 2.00%
Italy Latium 138 Achilli et al. (2007) 2.90%
Italy Marche 813 Achilli et al. (2007) 0.98%
Italy Central Italy 83 Plaza et al. (2003) 1.20%
Italy Lombardy 177 Achilli et al. (2007) 0.00%
Italy Piedmont 169 Achilli et al. (2007) 0.00%
Italy Sardinia 258 Pardo et al. (2012) 1.40%
Italy Sardinia 73 Plaza et al. (2003) 2.80%
Italy Sardinia 85 Sanna et al. (2011) 1.00%
Italy Sardinia (Ogliastra) 475 Fraumene C et al. (2003) 0.00%[52]
Italy Sardinia 96 Morelli et al. (1999) 0.00%
Italy Campania (South Italy) 313 Achilli et al. (2007) 0.32%
Italy Basilicata (South Italy) 92 Ottoni et al. (2009) 2.20%
Italy Apulia & Calabria (South Italy) 226 Achilli et al. (2007) 0.00%
Italy Southern Italy 115 Sarno et al. (2014) 0.00%
Italy Southern Italy 37 Plaza et al. (2003) 8.10%
Italy Sicily 106 Cali et al. (2003) 0.94%
Italy Sicily 105 Achilli et al. (2007) 1.90%
Italy Sicily 169 Plaza et al. (2003) 0.60%
Italy Sicily 198 Sarno et al. (2014) 1.01%
Italy Sicily 465 Romano et al. (2013) 0.65%[53]
South Iberia Spain & Portugal 310 Casas et al. (2006) 5.40%
Spain Countrywide 312 Álvarez et al. (2007) 2.90%
Spain Central Spain 50 Plaza et al. (2003) 4.00%
Spain North-West Spain 216 Achilli et al. (2007) 3.70%
Spain Galicia 92 Pereira et al. (2005) 3.30%
Spain Zamora 214 Álvarez et al. (2010) 4.70%
Spain Sayago 33 Álvarez et al. (2010) 8.18%
Spain Cordoba 108 Casas et al. (2006) 8.30%
Spain Huelva 135 Hernandez et al. (2014) 5.70%
Spain Catalonia 101 Álvarez-Iglesias et al. (2009) 2.97%
Spain Balearic Islands 231 Picornell et al. (2005) 2.20%
Spain Canary Islands 300 Brehm et al. (2003) 6.60%
Portugal Countrywide 594 Achilli et al. (2007) 8.90%
Portugal Countrywide 1429 Barral-Arca et al. (2016) 6.16%
Portugal Countrywide 549 Pereira et al. (2005) 6.83%
Portugal North 100 Pereira et al. (2010) 5.00%
Portugal Center 82 Pereira et al. (2010) 9.70%
Portugal Center 82 Plaza et al. (2003) 6.10%
Portugal South 195 Brehm et al. (2003) 11.30%
Portugal South 303 Achilli et al. (2007) 10.80%
Portugal Coruche 160 Pereira et al. (2010) 8.70%
Portugal Pias 75 Pereira et al. (2010) 3.90%
Portugal Alcácer do Sal 50 Pereira et al. (2010) 22.00%
Portugal Azores 179 Brehm et al. (2003) 3.40%
Portugal Madeira 155 Brehm et al. (2003) 12.90%
Portugal Madeira 153 Fernandes et al. (2006) 12.40%
Greece Crete 202 Achilli et al. (2007) 2.99%
Cyprus Cyprus 91 Irwin et al. (2008) 3.30%

This is frequencies of Haplogroup L lineages, MTDNA, the own link you had says it comes from a pre-historic source and this is only Haplogroup Lineages, Autosomal DNA shows all Italians have under 1% Sub-Saharan admixture.

http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/sho...3andme-results! 23andme I am pretty sure counts all ancestry within 1000 years. If you take into account the entire Italian ethnic genome 10,000+ years, the total non-Caucasoid admixture is only 0.5-3% depending on the person.

The Indigenous population of India were not Proto-Caucasoids, they were Australoids and they were bred out through vast mixing between Onge, East Asians and Australoids themselves resulting in the modern Tribal Hybrid populations which are many Adavasi tribes.

As for Non-Caucasoid DNA Haplogroups in India.

https://www.quora.com/Are-Indians-mo...sian-Europeans I liked this guys explanation.

MTDNA
"60% Indians have mtDNA H & M that are of Onge, Andamanese or Negrito (non-Caucasoid) mtDNA variation. Rest 40% is Caucasian or central Asian Aryan haplogroups. More info : "

"An English mixed with an Arab is still 100% Caucasoid because they are both Caucasians. But that’s not the case in India. Indian mixture includes non-Caucasoid gene flows—which is quiet evident in our semi-Caucasoid, semi-Austro-Asiatic features. The Caucasoid or Aryan part starts from Punjab & Pakistan border . India is a non-Aryan mixed nation, with an Aryan past."

"Mitochondrial DNA[edit]
Analysis of mtDNA, which is inherited exclusively by maternal descent, confirms the above results. All Andamanese belong to M31 and M32 mtDNA, subgroup of M which is unique to Andamanese people.[32][34] The analysis of 20 coding regions in 20 samples of ancient Andamanese people and 12 samples of modern Indian populations changed the topology of the two lineages in South Asians. The data received suggests an M31a lineage in South Asians. This supports the genetic connection between South Asians and Andamanese people, which dates back to about 30kya.[42] Other mainland specific subgroup of M is distributed in the Asia, where it represents 60% of all maternal lineages.[41][43][44] According to Endicott et al. (2002), this haplogroup originated with the earliest settlers of India during the coastal migration that brought the ancestors of the Andamanese to the Indian mainland, the Andaman Islands, and farther afield to Southeast Asia.[45]"

Y-DNA

There is also Haplogroup Q which is in small numbers with some of the more racially pure South Asian ethnic groups.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_..._of_South_Asia

Italians don't have any non-Caucasoid Y-DNA Haplogroups.

Y-DNA haplogroups are irrelevant compared to Autosomal DNA anyway, the Autosomaal DNA takes into account all of ones ancestry. This "proto caaucasoid" natives in India is nothing but a fantasy in my opinion, the Indigenous people were Haplogroup O and Q by Y-DNA, these are Non-Caucasoid lineages, they always have been.

[ButlerKing]

This is frequencies of Haplogroup L lineages, MTDNA, the own link you had says it comes from a pre-historic source and this is only Haplogroup Lineages, Autosomal DNA shows all Italians have under 1% Sub-Saharan admixture.

http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/sho...3andme-results! 23andme I am pretty sure counts all ancestry within 1000 years. If you take into account the entire Italian ethnic genome 10,000+ years, the total non-Caucasoid admixture is only 0.5-3% depending on the person.

The Indigenous population of India were not Proto-Caucasoids, they were Australoids and they were bred out through vast mixing between Onge, East Asians and Australoids themselves resulting in the modern Tribal Hybrid populations which are many Adavasi tribes.

As for Non-Caucasoid DNA Haplogroups in India.

https://www.quora.com/Are-Indians-mo...sian-Europeans I liked this guys explanation.

MTDNA
"60% Indians have mtDNA H & M that are of Onge, Andamanese or Negrito (non-Caucasoid) mtDNA variation. Rest 40% is Caucasian or central Asian Aryan haplogroups. More info : "

"An English mixed with an Arab is still 100% Caucasoid because they are both Caucasians. But that’s not the case in India. Indian mixture includes non-Caucasoid gene flows—which is quiet evident in our semi-Caucasoid, semi-Austro-Asiatic features. The Caucasoid or Aryan part starts from Punjab & Pakistan border . India is a non-Aryan mixed nation, with an Aryan past."

"Mitochondrial DNA[edit]
Analysis of mtDNA, which is inherited exclusively by maternal descent, confirms the above results. All Andamanese belong to M31 and M32 mtDNA, subgroup of M which is unique to Andamanese people.[32][34] The analysis of 20 coding regions in 20 samples of ancient Andamanese people and 12 samples of modern Indian populations changed the topology of the two lineages in South Asians. The data received suggests an M31a lineage in South Asians. This supports the genetic connection between South Asians and Andamanese people, which dates back to about 30kya.[42] Other mainland specific subgroup of M is distributed in the Asia, where it represents 60% of all maternal lineages.[41][43][44] According to Endicott et al. (2002), this haplogroup originated with the earliest settlers of India during the coastal migration that brought the ancestors of the Andamanese to the Indian mainland, the Andaman Islands, and farther afield to Southeast Asia.[45]"

Y-DNA

There is also Haplogroup Q which is in small numbers with some of the more racially pure South Asian ethnic groups.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_..._of_South_Asia

Italians don't have any non-Caucasoid Y-DNA Haplogroups.

Y-DNA haplogroups are irrelevant compared to Autosomal DNA anyway, the Autosomaal DNA takes into account all of ones ancestry. This "proto caaucasoid" natives in India is nothing but a fantasy in my opinion, the Indigenous people were Haplogroup O and Q by Y-DNA, these are Non-Caucasoid lineages, they always have been.

mtDNA L in Europe comes from both pre-historic, alantic slave trade. Italians have from 0.2% to 2.7% Sub-Saharan admixture.

Indigenous population of India were the ASI proto-Caucasoids and some of them have interbred with Onge and East Asians and that's why they don't pure veddoid proto-Caucasoid morphologies.

Haplogroup O and Q are both markers expanded from East Asia/Southeast Asia and were not indigenous to India. Haplogroup O is only restricted in Eastern India and is no surprise the Austro-Asiatic tribes having different degrees of East Asian admixture and Q is almost mostly limited to Eastern India not western India. However haplogroup Q , O reaches only among the tribal population.

Like I said before, India is most diverse ethnically and linguistic population in the world. India itself would be like Europe today if there was no unification.


M31a in India is extremely rare, nearly non-existant with exception of some tribal people

Here are the indigenous haplogroups of South Asians people, nothing to do with Onge nor East Asians.

[Fractal]

The entire premise is trying to deny Non-Caucasoid admixture with upper caste South Asians.

http://racialreality.blogspot.ca/201...-of-india.html Hate this blog all you want, he uses sources from other sites.

DNA evidence confirms what historians, linguists and anthropologists have long known but nationalists have denied: that Indians are mainly a mix of indigenous Australoids and intrusive Caucasoids. They're composed of two genetic components, one related to Andaman Islanders and the other to Western Eurasians, which is higher in upper castes. The estimated dates of admixture between the two are consistent with the introduction of Indo-Aryan languages from the northwest and probably also earlier events related to the spread of Dravidian languages and even agriculture.

Indians are neither Caucasoid nor mixed. You just want Indians to mix with Whites in Canada by making them think they are genetic mongrels like mestizos or mulattos which is absolute nonsense.

If you want to purify anyone, go make babes with some Murican, Latina, Mulatta, or even better just go for a MENA. They like you, not Indians.

[MagnusAurelius]

mtDNA L in Europe comes from both pre-historic, alantic slave trade. Italians have from 0.2% to 2.7% Sub-Saharan admixture.

Indigenous population of India were the ASI proto-Caucasoids and some of them have interbred with Onge and East Asians and that's why they don't pure veddoid proto-Caucasoid morphologies.

Haplogroup O and Q are both markers expanded from East Asia/Southeast Asia and were not indigenous to India. Haplogroup O is only restricted in Eastern India and is no surprise the Austro-Asiatic tribes so different degrees of East Asian admixture and Q is almost mostly limited to Eastern India not western India. However haplogroup Q , O reaches only among the tribal population.

Like I said before, India is most diverse ethnically and linguistic population in the world. India itself would be like Europe today if there was no unification.


M31a in India is extremely rare, nearly non-existant with exception of some tribal people

Here are the indigenous haplogroups of South Asians people, nothing to do with Onge nor East Asians.

Haplogroup O and Q are still present among some Upper Caste populations outside of Eastern India.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_..._of_South_Asia

You are trying to prove that non-Tribal South Asians are racially pure Caucasoids, you believe the all of the ASI component itself represents this pseudo "Proto-Caucasoid" native race of India. This is nothing but a fantasy. It is widely acknowledged that the original ASI population, the first indigenous people of India don't exist in their purest form anymore.

https://www.nature.com/news/genomes-...ndians-1.12219 Genomes link aboriginal Australians to Indians. This seems like it was a back migration from India.

I am convinced the original race of India were the Australoids. The Australoids were effectively bred out through vast mixing with East Asians and to a lesser extent the Onge/Andamese/Negrito populations. This mixing resulted in the modern Adavasi populations who all have primarily Non-Caucasoid admixture but many of them have 5-15% Caucasoid admixture due to mixing with the Invading Dravidian Caucasoids and the later IndoAryan invaders most likely accumulated their non-Caucasoid admixture from mostly mixing with the already mixed Dravidians.


Indians are far more mixed than Italians and all Europeans, especially when you count Ancient DNA. When you count Ancient DNA, more non-Caucasoid admixture will appear, that is why on 23andme all Italians score under 1% SSA but in other DNA tests they score 1-3% SSA because those Autosomal DNA tests are counting all DNA 10,000+ years ago.

This K12 Ancient calculator is very accurate for South Asians, they used South Indian tribals as a reference population.






This is the reference population they used and all South Asians core high amounts of this admixture. They have high amounts of this due to the South Indian tribal admixture, if there South Indian tribals were not included in this reference, they would have less than 5% admixture from this region. The South Indian tribals themselves (basically all of the Adavasi) have varrying amounts of Caucasoid admixture depending on the tribe, it can be safe to assume that at least 10-15% of this component (for South Indian tribals) would be Caucasoid. This is not much so overall, the Punjabi Rajput here would still have around 26% Non-Caucasoid admixture.

These are my results, this is one of the most accurate Ancient DNA calculators ever created. I only have around 1.8-2% Non-Caucasoid admixture counting all of my DNA from present to 10,000 years ago, I am pretty sure your Ancient DNA is accounting for everything, your entire genome from now until 10,000 years ago unlike 23andme which is only analyzing your raw DNA Data from up to 1000 years ago, essentially why my Sub-Saharan component on 23andme is only 0.3%.

[MagnusAurelius]

Indians are neither Caucasoid nor mixed. You just want Indians to mix with Whites in Canada by making them think they are genetic mongrels like mestizos or mulattos which is absolute nonsense.

If you want to purify anyone, go make babes with some Murican, Latina, Mulatta, or even better just go for a MENA. They like you, not Indians.

Autistic repetition from the weak mentally ill virgin mixed race mutt, saying stupid things doesn't change the reality that I had sex with 8 South Asian females multiple times pathetic little virgin.

[ButlerKing]

Haplogroup O and Q are still present among some Upper Caste populations outside of Eastern India.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_..._of_South_Asia


You are trying to prove that non-Tribal South Asians are racially pure Caucasoids, you believe the all of the ASI component itself represents this pseudo "Proto-Caucasoid" native race of India. This is nothing but a fantasy. It is widely acknowledged that the original ASI population, the first indigenous people of India don't exist in their purest form anymore.

https://www.nature.com/news/genomes-...ndians-1.12219 Genomes link aboriginal Australians to Indians. This seems like it was a back migration from India.

I am convinced the original race of India were the Australoids. The Australoids were effectively bred out through vast mixing with East Asians and to a lesser extent the Onge/Andamese/Negrito populations. This mixing resulted in the modern Adavasi populations who all have primarily Non-Caucasoid admixture but many of them have 5-15% Caucasoid admixture due to mixing with the Invading Dravidian Caucasoids and the later IndoAryan invaders most likely accumulated their non-Caucasoid admixture from mostly mixing with the already mixed Dravidians.


Indians are far more mixed than Italians and all Europeans, especially when you count Ancient DNA. When you count Ancient DNA, more non-Caucasoid admixture will appear, that is why on 23andme all Italians score under 1% SSA but in other DNA tests they score 1-3% SSA because those Autosomal DNA tests are counting all DNA 10,000+ years ago.

This K12 Ancient calculator is very accurate for South Asians, they used South Indian tribals as a reference population.






This is the reference population they used and all South Asians core high amounts of this admixture. They have high amounts of this due to the South Indian tribal admixture, if there South Indian tribals were not included in this reference, they would have less than 5% admixture from this region. The South Indian tribals themselves (basically all of the Adavasi) have varrying amounts of Caucasoid admixture depending on the tribe, it can be safe to assume that at least 10-15% of this component (for South Indian tribals) would be Caucasoid. This is not much so overall, the Punjabi Rajput here would still have around 26% Non-Caucasoid admixture.

These are my results, this is one of the most accurate Ancient DNA calculators ever created. I only have around 1.8-2% Non-Caucasoid admixture counting all of my DNA from present to 10,000 years ago, I am pretty sure your Ancient DNA is accounting for everything, your entire genome from now until 10,000 years ago unlike 23andme which is only analyzing your raw DNA Data from up to 1000 years ago, essentially why my Sub-Saharan component on 23andme is only 0.3%.

Italians are Caucasoid with slight negroid and Mongoloid admixture, you don't represent overall Italians because you're only 50% but regardless you're not PURE EITHER. You are 2.8% Negroid, properly your Italian parent is 5.6% Negroid. South Asians are pure Caucasoid but with a combination of West Eurasian and ASI proto/ancient Caucasoid while Europeans on the other hand do not have proto-Caucasoid traits. ASI is proto-Caucasoid and this isn't anywhere near a fantasy even Eickstedt placed Veddoids among the 'old-Europid race'

You keep saying " DRAVIDIAN CAUCASOIDS " yes we all know the dravidians are Caucasoid but I hope you get this clear in your head before you keep making more assumptions and misunderstandings.

1) They were Caucasoids that looked nothing like Europeans, Middle easterners but like modern day Southern Indians/Central Indians

2) Modern day Dravidian speakers are all Caucasoids-Veddoids like ancient Dravidians Caucasoid aka Veddoids Caucasoids.


The ancient population of Middle east, Central Asia already had a veddoid-Caucasoid population before the Semetic, West Asian farmers, Indo-European speaking migrants moved in.


I SUGGEST YOU READ THIS VERY CAREFULLY

The Visva-bharati Quarterly, Volume 33



"Earliest Iranian Inhabitants were early caucasoids, who probably resembled some of the marginal caucasoids of Asia like the Veddas and Dravidians, more than they did the more sturdily built living central Europeans."


The Balangodese of Ceylon: Their Biological and Cultural Affinities with the Vedda, Volume 1




"Their Biological and Cultural Affinities with the Vedda Kenneth A. R. Kennedy. In Biasutti's (1951, Vol. ... 173) classifies the Vedda and other "anomalous tribes" of the subcontinent as one sub-group of the Caucasian Race. Bertin (1889) "


Do you understand now ? Veddas are classified as sub-group of Caucasian race and ancient Iran were more similar to Dravidian Caucasoids aka Veddoid-Caucasoids

What is this Southeast Eurasian cluster ? a new cluster some idiot made up? Did they included Veddoid with Onge again ? Keywords: possibly, somewhat.

It says believed to be somewhat similar ( what do you mean by somewhat similar to ) Onge, Jarawal tribal, SE Asians? Do they mean as in only 10-30% or 1-10% similar/related ???? if it's only somewhat similar than it can also be interpreted that among the 27.14% SE Eurasian admixtures found in Punjabi, only around roughly 1-3% or 5-8% are related at most. They also mention that it's relationship it's only a possibility not an actual fact like you had exaggerated it to be.

You're either similar or not similar and all they said was "somewhat similar" which means they are not even 50% related but way below it. It can only be interpreted to either as little similar to some degree similar, no more than that.

What is the definition of " somewhat "

* to a moderate extent or by a moderate amount;

* synonyms: a little, a bit, a little bit, to a limited extent/degree, to a certain degree, to some extent, to some degree, (up) to a point, in some measure, rather, quite, within limits.



Allow me to post this again.

There's a difference between West Eurasian, ASI , Onge

Europe = West Eurasian, West Asian, Southwest Asian (from Europeans to Arabs, North Africans, Kurdish, Afghans, Iraqi's
South Asian = ASI typical South Asian population and Veddoids
Onge = Adamanese, Jarawa

What do you see in the Punjabi section ?

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Italians are Caucasoid with slight negroid and Mongoloid admixture, you don't represent overall Italians because you're only 50% but regardless you're not PURE EITHER. You are 2.8% Negroid, properly your Italian parent is 5.6% Negroid. South Asians are pure Caucasoid but with a combination of West Eurasian and ASI proto/ancient Caucasoid while Europeans on the other hand do not have proto-Caucasoid traits. ASI is proto-Caucasoid and this isn't anywhere near a fantasy even Eickstedt placed Veddoids among the 'old-Europid race'

You keep saying " DRAVIDIAN CAUCASOIDS " yes we all know the dravidians are Caucasoid but I hope you get this clear in your head before you keep making more assumptions and misunderstandings.

1) They were Caucasoids that looked nothing like Europeans, Middle easterners but like modern day Southern Indians/Central Indians

2) Modern day Dravidian speakers are all Caucasoids-Veddoids like ancient Dravidians Caucasoid aka Veddoids Caucasoids.


The ancient population of Middle east, Central Asia already had a veddoid-Caucasoid population before the Semetic, West Asian farmers, Indo-European speaking migrants moved in.


I SUGGEST YOU READ THIS VERY CAREFULLY

The Visva-bharati Quarterly, Volume 33



"Earliest Iranian Inhabitants were early caucasoids, who probably resembled some of the marginal caucasoids of Asia like the Veddas and Dravidians, more than they did the more sturdily built living central Europeans."


The Balangodese of Ceylon: Their Biological and Cultural Affinities with the Vedda, Volume 1




"Their Biological and Cultural Affinities with the Vedda Kenneth A. R. Kennedy. In Biasutti's (1951, Vol. ... 173) classifies the Vedda and other "anomalous tribes" of the subcontinent as one sub-group of the Caucasian Race. Bertin (1889) "


Do you understand now ? Veddas are classified as sub-group of Caucasian race and ancient Iran were more similar to Dravidian Caucasoids aka Veddoid-Caucasoids





What is this Southeast Eurasian cluster ? a new cluster some idiot made up? Did they included Veddoid with Onge again ? Keywords: possibly, somewhat.

It says believed to be somewhat similar ( what do you mean by somewhat similar to ) Onge, Jarawal tribal, SE Asians? Do they mean as in only 10-30% or 1-10% similar/related ???? if it's only somewhat similar than it can also be interpreted that among the 27.14% SE Eurasian admixtures found in Punjabi, only around roughly 1-3% or 5-8% are related at most. They also mention that it's relationship it's only a possibility not an actual fact like you had exaggerated it to be.

You're either similar or not similar and all they said was "somewhat similar" which means they are not even 50% related but way below it. It can only be interpreted to either as little similar to some degree similar, no more than that.

What is the definition of " somewhat "

* to a moderate extent or by a moderate amount;

* synonyms: a little, a bit, a little bit, to a limited extent/degree, to a certain degree, to some extent, to some degree, (up) to a point, in some measure, rather, quite, within limits.



Allow me to post this again.

There's a difference between West Eurasian, ASI , Onge

Europe = West Eurasian, West Asian, Southwest Asian (from Europeans to Arabs, North Africans, Kurdish, Afghans, Iraqi's
South Asian = ASI typical South Asian population and Veddoids
Onge = Adamanese, Jarawa

What do you see in the Punjabi section ?

Not sure why you're wasting your time with that stupid non-Aryan Italian-Irish moron. Who cares who is Caucasoid?

We're 100% Indian and that's all that matters.