Pazyryk Scythian aDNA results (mtDNA)

[Kelmendasi]

Originally, yes.
Herodotus referred to nomads living all way from Crimea to Siberia with the word Scythian.
Farmers, villager agriculturalists weren't Scythian.

Going by this Turks aren’t Turkic. Anyways, the Scythians in West Eurasia were Iranic although the “Scythian” towards the east probably were assimilated Turkics or just bilingual Turkic peoples

[Böri]

Going by this Turks aren’t Turkic. Anyways, the Scythians in West Eurasia were Iranic although the “Scythian” towards the east probably were assimilated Turkics or just bilingual Turkic peoples

Khotanese Saka people (the inscription you talk about) were farmer agriculturalists who were genetically like 15-20% South Asian.

West Scythians (pastoralist nomads) were overwhelmingly Europid with minor Siberid.
The language they talked was not for sure.
In fact we dont know even if it was only one language.

[Proto-Shaman]

Oh yeah I forgot, everything under the sun is Turkic

nope. only Euro-Mongoloid skulls.

[Proto-Shaman]

Weren't the Andronovo almost entirely Caucasoid?

90% Caucasoid and 10% Mongoloid on average.

[Proto-Shaman]

Basically they were very mongoloid long before the Mongol invasion. But the percentage of Aryan DNA is still very significant. Over 1/4 Northern European.

Actually you should say "Aryan DNA is already very significant", since the evidence of the deer-stones undoubtedly strengthens the position of those who argue for the eastern, Central Asian origin of the animal style and of the entire Scythian culture. Btw oldest Scythian graves were found in Tuva, and they were 35-55% Mongoloid. Their aDNA is entirely Turkic. This fits actually to Herodots claim that Scythians originated beyond the Jaxartes.

[Grab the Gauge]

For the last time, Pazyryk aren't Scythians. They were a far out people who had been culturally Scythicized. The original Scythians are the True Scyths, aka Royal Scyths. Many different groups were recognized as having adopted Scythian culture, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melanchlaeni


Scythians were absolutely not Turkic, linguistically, genetically, culturally, racially. None of these things even existed when Scythians first appeared. We also have no idea whether or not this DNA is Mongoloid, just because it is concentrated in Mongoloids today doesn't make it Mongoloid.

[Proto-Shaman]

For the last time, Pazyryk aren't Scythians. They were a far out people who had been culturally Scythicized. The original Scythians are the True Scyths, aka Royal Scyths. Many different groups were recognized as having adopted Scythian culture, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melanchlaeni


Scythians were absolutely not Turkic, linguistically, genetically, culturally, racially. None of these things even existed when Scythians first appeared. We also have no idea whether or not this DNA is Mongoloid, just because it is concentrated in Mongoloids today doesn't make it Mongoloid.

For the first and last time. Oldest Scythian graves are from Tuva 9th c. BC, they were 35-55% Mongoloid and racially of mixed Euro-Mongoloid type. Pazyrykians descended from these Turco-Mongol steppe barbarians. They all, without any exception, score entirely Turkic on aDNA gedmatch results.

edit: their Y-DNA is of Kyrgyz-Kypchak type R1a Z2124 + some Q1a

[ButlerKing]

Karakalpak GEDmatch kit numbers. They are only 50-55% mongoloid.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...ght=karakalpak

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 27.53
2 Siberian 25.2
3 North_European 16.83
4 Caucasus 11.08
5 Gedrosia 8.33
6 Atlantic_Med 5.32
7 Southeast_Asian 3.25
8 South_Asian 2.09
9 Southwest_Asian 0.35

~55% Mongoloid.

27.53 + 25.2 + 3.25 = 55.98% ( actually 56% )

And what do you mean only 50-55% Mongoloid only ? That's like trying to tell me a half Black person wouldn't identify himself as Black when like 99.99999% of them always do let alone the ones who are above 50%.

This is only one GEDmatch kit numbers. I'm sure they will vary.

[ButlerKing]

Who made this?
And that's based on what data?
Since when Armenians are 100% European?
They are closest to Assyrians, even more than they are to the West Asiatic Georgians.

Armenians are less than 10% European/North Euro genetically.
Turks are more than them for example.

I knew I was smarter than most members in this forum.

European A.K.A West Eurasian , it includes all admixtures that are Caucasoid by race such as West Asian, Mediterranean, Southwest Asian, North European, Caucasus, Gedrosia.

East Asian A.K.A East Eurasian, it includes all admixtures that are Mongoloid by race such as East Asian, Southeast Asian, Siberian


Seriously it's such a easy logic even I figured it out in a short time.

[ButlerKing]

Bro, you didn't wise up? Or you still insist? Didn't you see my post to you on this thread?
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post4901702

I'm leaving this here, If you still didn't wise up


Also this

I agree there is some problem with both charts.


For exampled the Tajiks East Asian admixture is very low in one end and very high in the other end. Low east Asian admixture could be from Pamiri Tajiks, this study properly includes them

The Uyghurs show 35-40% East Asian and 60-65% European which is wrong. This admixture is only based on Uyghurs from Southern Xinjiang and that's misleading. Northern Uyghurs have only 30-47% European admixture which they didn't include ( btw European in this study means west Eurasians from west asian, european, southwest asian, caucasus ect )


Uyghur genetics

KK (2009). "Genetic Landscape of Eurasia and "Admixture" in Uyghurs". American Journal of Human Genetics. 8

" various scientific studies differ on the size of each component.[129] One study, using samples from Hetian (Hotan) only, found that Uyghurs have 60% European ancestry and 40% East Asian ancestry.[130] A further study showed slightly greater European component (52% European) in the Uyghur population in southern Xinjiang, but slightly greater East Asian component (47% European) in the northern Uyghur population.[131] Another study used a larger sample of individuals from a wider area, and found only about 30% European component to the admixture.[132] "



TURKMEN DNA GENETIC VARIATION IS A LOT MORE LARGER THAN THAT GRAPH HAD SHOWN. Mongoloid DNA can be over 50% in some Turkmen aswell. You can see some Turkmen tribe look very Mongoloid like the Tekke Turkmen and other Turkmen tribes while the Turkmen living in a historically Iranian city in Turkmenistan have a much lower Mongoloid although some look like they have high aswell.