Ancient Egyptians on GEDmatch

[Bobby Martnen]

Assad is lighter than the average Syrian as is the king of Jordan. And many north Africans have nowdays mixed with French colonialists or are descended from the slave european women that ended up in the slave markets there. Tripoli used to be a major slavery hub during the Ottoman era.

The King of Jordan is 50% English

[Kamal900]

He didn't mean that Europeans were their closest match, but that ancient Egyptians were more European-shifted than modern Egyptians are i.e. ancient Egyptians were further north.

Yes, indeed. The ancient Egyptians were less SSA admixed than the modern ones, but the ancient sample from the Roman period is more levantine shifted than the other two samples from the new kingdom which suggests that there had been gradual admixture between Egyptians and their Levantine neighbors, but not much.

[Bobby Martnen]

Not really. If anything really, the ancient Egyptian cluster more closer to my people than to Europeans. The ancient Egyptian is from the Roman period of Egypt, and the sample(Egyptian3) is more closer to me and my cousin than to other Egyptians including the ancient Egyptians from the new kingdom(Egyptian1, Egyptian2):

The Ancient Egyptian dot on the map I posted is the average of all three Ancient Egyptians

[Kamal900]

The Ancient Egyptian dot on the map I posted is the average of all three Ancient Egyptians

If that's the case then it kinda makes sense considering that the ancient Egyptian's SSA admixture is lower than their Muslim descedants. The average SSA admixture among Palestinians is around 8.5% while the average SSA on modern day Egyptians is between 17 to 22%, but regardless, the modern day Egyptians including Muslims and Copts cluster the closest to the Levant and the middle east as a whole rather than to North Africans and other peoples outside the middle east:

At the genome-wide level, Egypt is quite similar to its Levantine neighbours, displaying a mainly Near Eastern (39.8%) and Arabian/North African (30.5%) background, with slightly higher western (5.6%) and eastern (15.1%) African proportions, and lower European (8.4%) and South Asian (0.6%) proportions. The ROLLOFF estimate for admixture in Egypt (using Africans and Europeans as ancestral populations) was 30 generations, predictably young due to continuous gene flow between the two regions. Morocco and Tunisia presented similar western (9.8–12.2%) and eastern African (10.4–12.1%) components and roughly twice the magnitude for each of the European (22.8–25.5%), Near Eastern (21.4–26.0%) and Arabian (28.9–31.0%) pools. Again these young dates show that simple genome-wide dating approaches based on linkage disequilibrium decay must be applied cautiously in complex scenarios of several migrations occurring over a long span of time, such as the ones which took place across the Red Sea, North Africa [56] and Iberia [57].
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...ents-in-Arabia

[Böri]

Send me its GEDmatch ID?

They're closer to Sicilians, Cretans, Dodecanese than to Turks. Interesting.

Old Greek got civilization from Levantines and Egyptians, Turks didn't. So it's not so surprising. Turks have their genes, state, culture, language comin from Farthest Asia. Roman culture has more MENA roots.

[Bobby Martnen]

If that's the case then it kinda makes sense considering that the ancient Egyptian's SSA admixture is lower than their Muslim descedants. The average SSA admixture among Palestinians is around 8.5% while the average SSA on modern day Egyptians is between 17 to 22%, but regardless, the modern day Egyptians including Muslims and Copts cluster the closest to the Levant and the middle east as a whole rather than to North Africans and other peoples outside the middle east:

Do you have any Coptic GEDmatches? I suspect they'll plot closer to Europe than Muslims (lack of Arabian admixture), but I'd like to confirm it

[Isleño]

Did you see the result from the 2018 study on the mummy head of Governor Djehutynakht from the 11th Dynasty, Middle Kingdom (2010 BC) found in Middle Egypt? He had mtDNA U5b2b5, West Eurasian origin. He is from the time before all the foreigners started arriving. This is from the study:

“The mtGenome profile independently obtained from the tooth by the FBI and HMS laboratories were identical and can be found in Table S2. The haplotype (deposited in GenBank under accession number MG736653) belongs to mitochondrial DNA lineage U5b2b5, but the specific sequence has not been previously reported in the 35,942 mtGenomes stored in the NCBI GenBank database (as of October 2017). The sequence closest to the mummy’s belongs to a contemporary individual from Lebanon (KT779192 [67]); however, the two haplotypes still differ at five positions, three of them in the control region (CR). A comparison between the mummy CR and the 26,127 CR sequences from the EMPOP database produced no match.”

And the authors go on to align Djehutynakht with one of the mummies tested at Abusir as being the closest among tested mummies:

“The Djehutynakht sequence was also compared to available ancient human DNA sequences (Table S4). Not surprisingly, no direct matches to the Djehutynakht sequence have been reported. However, related U5b2b sequences have been observed in ancient human remains from Europe, and a haplogroup U5b2c1 haplotype was recently discovered in 2000-year-old remains from Phoenicia [67]. When only the mtDNA sequences recovered from ancient Egyptian human remains are considered, the Djehutynakht sequence most closely resembles a U5a lineage from sample JK2903, a 2000-year-old skeleton from Abusir el-Meleq [74].”

http://http://www.mdpi.com/2073-4425/9/3/135/pdf


Or a recent study of two brothers from 12th Dynasty Upper Egypt that have a West Eurasian haplogroup with a local Africanized mutation, haplogroup M1a1:

“Analysis of single nucleotide polymorphisms showed that both Nakht-Ankh and Khnum-Nakht belonged to mitochondrial haplotype M1a1, suggesting a maternal relationship.”

Here’s a pic of the mummy mask of one of the brothers Nakht-Ankh:

http://https://www.sciencedirect.com...52409X17305631



One of the three genome-wide tested mummies of Abusir had M1a1 mtDNA, and was found to be old West Eurasian ancestry:

JK2911
Pre-Ptolemaic 769BC-560BC

Y-chromosome - J2b1-PF7314
X-chromosome - M1a1

[Leto]

Do you have any Coptic GEDmatches? I suspect they'll plot closer to Europe than Muslims (lack of Arabian admixture), but I'd like to confirm it

M735006 Copt

[Bobby Martnen]

M735006 Copt

Thanks. Closer to Ancient Egyptians than Moslem Egyptians are.

[Leto]

Thanks. Closer to Ancient Egyptians than Moslem Egyptians are.

Obviously. The Muslims have extra African and Arabian input.