Arpad dynasty DNA (kings of Hungary & Croatia)

[Ülev]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...yan-and-Turkic

How is R-Z93 both Aryan and Turkic?

This Wikipedia map labels it as both Indo-Iranian and Central Asian Turkic. Can someone explain it?

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Svaanik Kumar explain South Slavic & Sanskrit similarities, and please also note that Old-Avestan is also closer to South Slavic than to R1ethelite languages

Yes, bro. But it explains nothing. Lithuanian language is the closest to Sanskrit and they are R1a-Z280 + N. Nothing I2a about them.

[Jana]

In Hungary (and Croatia) group with most Z93 are local Gypsies. Yes, not trolling!

Hungarian and Croatian Gypsies are 30% R1a1- Z93! If Arpad is that, they are more related with them paternally than most of other people in Carpathian Basin.

[Jana]

R1a1a1b2 (R-Z93) (Asia)

R1a1b2a2* (R-M780) occurs at high frequency in South Asia: India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and the Himalayas. The group also occurs at >3% in some Iranian populations and is present at >30% in Roma from Croatia and Hungary.[57]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplog...(R-Z93)_(Asia)

[Turul Karom]

Problem is that Z280 is by far most common type of R1a is all southern slavic countries (except Bulgaria), and we don't have any known Turkic connections.

Many possibilities. Could be the founder effect. Could be a bottle neck. All of the Balkans post-Rome, from Attila, to Pechenegs, to Avars, to us, was full of Turkic and steppe nomadic peoples, with new Eurasian settlers coming in as well (Kabars, Cumans, etc). This is not a surprise.

The Turks where nowhere when the proto-Magyars existed in the Western Siberian steppe (Cherkaskul culture). They were Aryan-Ugric admixture between the frames of the post-Andronovan world. The early medieval Magyars admixed with Turks from the West Old Turkic speakers.

I quote the Encyclopedia Britannica on the ethnicities that would make our ancestral tribal confederations in Central Asia. That is all. Further Turkic infusion would happen for centuries after the founding of Hungary in Europe.

[Rethel]

In Hungary (and Croatia) group with most Z93 are local Gypsies. Yes, not trolling!

Hungarian and Croatian Gypsies are 30% R1a1- Z93! If Arpad is that, they are more related with them paternally than most of other people in Carpathian Basin.

It also depends how representative this group was.
And btw, more southern balkanian groups did not have R1
almost at all. Maybe 3% at best together a and b and 2.
And the testing groups was probably much more representative.

[Ülev]

Yes, bro. But it explains nothing. Lithuanian language is the closest to Sanskrit and they are R1a-Z280 + N. Nothing I2a about them.

it shows only that locals with R1a came to Europe following their ArI(a2)an teachers

[Bosniensis]

R1a1a1b2 (R-Z93) (Asia)

R1a1b2a2* (R-M780) occurs at high frequency in South Asia: India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and the Himalayas. The group also occurs at >3% in some Iranian populations and is present at >30% in Roma from Croatia and Hungary.[57]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplog...(R-Z93)_(Asia)

puke

[Rethel]

Kazinczy

A Pole?

and his later followers, Hungarians have much more Latin and Germanic words in the vocabulary than Turkic. In the Old pre-19th century Hungarian vocabulary The most common was finno-ugric (and still the majority of the word are finno ugric origin,) It was followed by Slav Latin and Germanic origin words, than it was followed by Iranian and Turkic origin words.

How much of each?

[Vlatko Vukovic]

How do you mean, the ones mixed with persian origins and arabs in Turkey? Because thats what happened and still being happened today, their DNA is changing

With Arabs, Persians, Georgians, Armenians, Greeks, Albanians, Serbs, Croatians, Kurds,...etc...etc