Originally Posted by
Dibran
Good point. If the diversification is strongest in Romania for M458/Z280, then I would imagine some splintered Dacian clans, and or possibly Sarmatian groups like Roxolani could be responsible for the diversification around this area. As I understand, Dacians were around the Southern Baltics no? If so, Z280 is definitely possible, and maybe even M458.
People make it seem like Z280/M458 were walled up like the white walkers of game of thrones, and just started migrating in all directions in the middle ages. That literally makes no sense. If M458 for instance was already in Central Europe during Lusatians, then it definitely participated in both Slavic, and East Germanic tribes.
Even the trajectory of Bastarnae for instance, passed through Z280/M458 hotspots. So it escapes logic to assume some of it was not spreading with them. They were especially known to intermix with others.
Also What if Volga Bulgars spread M458? some branches of M458 typically seem more restricted to Bulgaria/Romania. Like YP263 under L1029 which is typically East Balkan(according to Michal).
I turned out to be L1029* basal and negative downstream. All my matches are 2000 plus years ago. I was suspected to possibly form my own cluster upstream YP263 but downstream L1029*. However, the clade is too unstable. I plan to test my father next to form and define the cluster between us. But it seems we are either basal L1029 or ancestral to YP263.
My close Y37 match won;t test further. He is Albanian from Gostivar, Macedonia. So my fathers test should define a new subclade under L1029*. My closest STR match is the Beijing sample from China lolol. Only one match though. and under 100 SNP matches.
On 23andme, most my M417 paternal matches are Greek, Romanian, Albanian, and Bulgarian, and a couple Croatians. There is no telling what subclade they belong. I imagine being M417 and a paternal autsomal match is a hint that they could be M458.
Oh, I know M458 is less than Z280, but isn't Croatia the highest in M458 after East Balkans?
Dacians were still active in early AD around Romania, so the diversification may play a role. Especially with the oldest M417 popping up around Ukraine. Perhaps diversification happened around Romania. The Morava as I have heard.
Are there any scientifically published periodicals attesting to this? The lack of diversity in NE is odd, true. Especially all the aDNA in the area came up Z280 mostly. There is still no aDNA for M458. Unless I am missing something. Google search turns up nothing.
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