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    Quote Originally Posted by Laberia View Post
    Yes, Ahmet Zogu, lol.
    Ahmet Zogu was a Gheg from Dibra. Although Enver Hoxha was a Tosk and he did(the communist party) rule over all Albanians
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    - Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    Ahmet Zogu was a Gheg from Dibra. Although Enver Hoxha was a Tosk and he did(the communist party) rule over all Albanians
    Jo, ishte Geg nga Mati. Une po beja shaka. Ishte nga Emathia......si edhe ca te tjere perpara tij.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    Ahmet Zogu was a Gheg from Dibra. Although Enver Hoxha was a Tosk and he did(the communist party) rule over all Albanians
    Hoxha has said that his family's distant origins (father's line) were actually from the North. Kukesi if Im not mistaken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Era View Post
    Hoxha has said that his family's distant origins (father's line) were actually from the North. Kukesi if Im not mistaken.
    Really? I'm sure he had some prejudice to Ghegs but that might just be because of their anti-Communist views
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    The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...

    - Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Era View Post
    Hoxha has said that his family's distant origins (father's line) were actually from the North. Kukesi if Im not mistaken.
    Sad if true..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laberia View Post
    Jo, ishte Geg nga Mati. Une po beja shaka. Ishte nga Emathia......si edhe ca te tjere perpara tij.
    Yh I meant the Dibra county which includes Mati lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Era View Post
    Hoxha has said that his family's distant origins (father's line) were actually from the North. Kukesi if Im not mistaken.
    Yes, he pretended if i am not wrong that his old surname was Kola, i don`t know about Kukes. It was just propaganda.

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    Genetiker is analysing the Ydna subclades of the samples from the paper on southeastern Europe. https://genetiker.wordpress.com/2018...astern-europe/. The gold man from the Varna culture in Bulgaria has turned out to be T-M184. Also the sample from Epipaleolithic France that was believed to be J has actually turned out to be I2-M438. The proto-Illyrian sample from Bronze Age Dalmatia belongs to J2b2>L283>Z628>Z2507>Y15058* going by the raw data which was released and then analysed by a member of the Albanian bloodlines project
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    - Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    Genetiker is analysing the Ydna subclades of the samples from the paper on southeastern Europe. https://genetiker.wordpress.com/2018...astern-europe/. The gold man from the Varna culture in Bulgaria has turned out to be T-M184. Also the sample from Epipaleolithic France that was believed to be J has actually turned out to be I2-M438. The proto-Illyrian sample from Bronze Age Dalmatia belongs to J2b2>L283>Z628>Z2507>Y15058* going by the raw data which was released and then analysed by a member of the Albanian bloodlines project
    how come R1b in these samples is V88 ? Isn't that African subclade ? Pretty interesting.
    Do you know why no autosomal wasn't released from paper ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stearsolina View Post
    how come R1b in these samples is V88 ? Isn't that African subclade ? Pretty interesting.
    Do you know why no autosomal wasn't released from paper ?
    R1b-V88 seems to be the clade of R1b that was in Europe before Steppe people(M269) migrated. It is also found in west Asia so it probably came into Europe via that route. Yh it's a shame that autosomal hasn't been fully released yet. The study is now on Nature https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25778
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    The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...

    - Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.

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