Arpad dynasty DNA (kings of Hungary & Croatia)

[ButlerKing]

Of course I don't know if U106 in Kazakhstan came from Germans most likely from the Baskhirs who have R1b, since there was 30,000 of them enslaved to Kazakhstan. Point was there over 100,000-200,000+ Europeans already existed in Central Asia and Kazakhstan long before Soviet control of central Asia.


A portion of Kazakhs western eurasian mtDNA seem to be related with European mtDNA but I wouldn't know if it's ancient or recent.

[Turul Karom]

Not exatly. This is the problem when people don't read history.

Of course I don't know if U106 in Kazakhstan came from Germans but it's most likely from the Baskhirs who have R1b, since there was 30,000 of them enslaved to Kazakhstan. Point is there was over 100,000-200,000+ Europeans already existed in Central Asia and Kazakhstan long before Soviet control of central Asia. There is also European mtDNA in a portion of Kazakhs western Eurasian mtDNA.

...and as we know, it is Turkic as our culture, religion pre-settlement, etc. R1b U106 is found in Central Asia thanks to the spread of Turkic peoples and was in the graves of Hungarian conquerors as well. Not all Germanic people have R1b U106 yet you fail to give other Germanic haplogroups credit, like I1. Yet when the Germans are settled in other regions by Soviets we find no such clusters of U106.

If find it ironic that you speak of not reading history; did the Legend of Botond not sit with you well?

[blogen]

If find it ironic that you speak of not reading history; did the Legend of Botond not sit with you well?

The Botond legend connected to the Varangians (Kylfingar=Kölpény, Rusz/Orosz, or Væringjar=Várang) between the Magyars presumably! The Botond-myth is a typical Viking story. Presumably the Varangians arrived into Hungary in the 10th century at the pagan times and they served the grandprinces before the christian kings.

Botond at the gate:

Later, the kings of the Árpád-house had Varagian guard and troops. Placenames in Hungary from the Árpád-age with the Varangians ethnonym (varég, kölpény, orosz in the 10-13th century):

[Yaglakar]

This just might as well conclude this thread:

[Proto-Shaman]

U152 isn't in important percentage among Baskhirs to my knowledge

The main sublineage among Bashkirs is R1b-U152. Other Bashkirs are M73 and L23.

U152 map:


Generally speaking, Bashkirs, Basques and Celto-Germanics (and maybe even Native North-Americans) have the same ancestor.

[Proto-Shaman]

ahahahahaha...... how stupid and low intelligence. So you're still on about R1a being Turkic origin after all these years. You're a foolish person. R1a in India predates any Aryan invasion especially long before your fake Scythian-Turkic with R1a.

All modern day Turkish people have haplogroup R1a as a result of predominate Mongoloid males who look like Kyrgyz carrying R1a and interbreeding with the local Anatolian Europoid females.

R1a in India can be divided into Aryan-Turkic (4.000 years ago) and pre-Neolithic (12.000 years ago). low intelligence? LOOOL

[Proto-Shaman]

I forgot to say, that even your dear scientist Klyosov would laughing for such claim that Z280 (which include Balto-Slavic) is Turkic. He considers R1a Z280 as the purest IE

He didn't, because I never made such a claim.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

He didn't, because I never made such a claim.

But you made for M458.

[Jana]

The main sublineage among Bashkirs is R1b-U152. Other Bashkirs are M73 and L23.

U152 map:


Generally speaking, Bashkirs, Basques and Celto-Germanics (and maybe even Native North-Americans) have the same ancestor.

didn't know that, interesting.

[Artek]

R1b U106 (S21) is Germanic.

R1b U152 (S23) is Celto-Italic and Gaulish.

R1b L21 is insular Celtic (Brittonic)

R1b DF27 is Celtiberian.

It's certainly all Bell Beaker but there a fact ends. There are subclades of U152, U106, DF27 and L21 who have nothing to do with Celts and Germanics. There is a coorelation for sure but please remember that such clades were already found in Bell Beaker context when it is too early to speak of aforementioned linguistic groups.

As a result, for example, random U152 Pole may not be a descendant of Celt but of easternmost Bell Beaker Group. DF27 German isn't born from a Spanish soldier who took part in 30 years war (or a Roman legionary from Iberia) but survived as a part of older Bell Beaker layer. U106 Englishman may not have been of Anglo-Saxon background but a grand-grand-grand-grand....-son of Urnfield culture migrant who spoke non-Germanic dialect.

Now their descendants may test themselves and they read an oversimplified version of a story. It's not fair. It has always been more complex than that.

Second, U106 is over 10% of the dna in the area of Kazakhstan and surrounding, diminishing in the West direction heading into Europe until it explodes again. That is a lot of the DNA, far more people than were transplanted there by the Soviets.

Can you provide me with the data proving this information?

Anyway, if such study was performed correctly, no descendant of Volga German should have been included in a study, because they are still aware of their origins. However, a descendant of medieval East Slav with distant Gothic background could have been included. As well as various Poles and Germans caught throughout XII-XVII century by Tatars or Mongols. Their descendants had plenty of time to assimilate and lose awareness of their foreign origins to be just Kazakhs.