New Ancestry DNA update help!

[Grace O'Malley]

But how is my southern Europe at 20% a low confidence region on my old update literally it was my second highest competent and it just dropped off that doesnt make much sense does it. Like 20% isnt low confidence. Also if you look at my gedmatch and ftdna and other tests they do not reflect me being almost 80% from UK. Also a 33% increase is absolutely insane how could they have been that off from the old test. Also how did my German side which was the 4 lowest now some hiw become more accurate then my second highest population which was southern Europe. This doesnt make sense and goes against my gedmatch and many other tests

It has really to do with the algorithms and what samples they use. As they get more populations to compare to and better methods people's results will change. Do you have known Southern European ancestry? What is your known ancestry mix? People also think that these dna companies show admixture when that is not their aim. They are all based on modern population samples and mainly geared to the American market. My new update is 100% Ireland/Scotland so very uninteresting but it is accurate for my known ancestry.

[torgun0010]

It has really to do with the algorithms and what samples they use. As they get more populations to compare to and better methods people's results will change. Do you have known Southern European ancestry? What is your known ancestry mix? People also think that these dna companies show admixture when that is not their aim. They are all based on modern population samples and mainly geared to the American market. My new update is 100% Ireland/Scotland so very uninteresting but it is accurate for my known ancestry.

Yes we have a lot of southern Europe ancestry my mother is 50 percent so me being around 20 seemed pretty accurate. Also compared qutb all the other data this makes the least sense.

[torgun0010]

According to this new test my mom isnt even my mom as before do you think I should ignore the results as they are in beta?

[Alessio]

When you read between the lines for each component; there is a very generalized overlap with countries that the samples encompass collectively that varies from very little to alot of said genetic relatedness percentage-wise. Seeing that the previous version lacks the robust sample size of the new update; it suffers statistically speaking. In other words, the previous update compared to the present update is less accurate. Wouldn't say its inaccurate per se, but genetically speaking, the more mixed you are, the harder it is to give an accurate prediction for your various ancestries.

Your best bet is to upload your raw data to gedmatch and see your ancestral breakdown approximately.

23andme does a pretty good job when having tested at least 1 parent from my experience. AncestryDNA gives me 28% Southern Europe, 10% Iberia, 11% Caucasus, 5% Jewish and 2% ME (My Campanian side). The rest is Europe West and British which seems to represent my North Dutch side.

[torgun0010]

23andme does a pretty good job when having tested at least 1 parent from my experience. AncestryDNA gives me 28% Southern Europe, 10% Iberia, 11% Caucasus, 5% Jewish and 2% ME (My Campanian side). The rest is Europe West and British which seems to represent my North Dutch side.

I am going to call and for right now might ignore the results as they are in beta. Like I said I have my moms nephew as a match and now according to ancestry they are no longer related to me. So I think it might have to due with beta

[Alessio]

I am going to call and for right now might ignore the results as they are in beta. Like I said I have my moms nephew as a match and now according to ancestry they are no longer related to me. So I think it might have to due with beta

Could be, what does GEDmatch give you?

[Alessio]

Yes we have a lot of southern Europe ancestry my mother is 50 percent so me being around 20 seemed pretty accurate. Also compared qutb all the other data this makes the least sense.

So what's you father's ancestry?

[torgun0010]

Could be, what does GEDmatch give you?

South_and_West_European 44.79
2 North_and_East_European 35.89
3 Caucaus_Parsia 10.88
4 Middle_East 7.31
5 Sub_Saharian 0.59
6 North_Asian 0.28
7 Arctic_Amerind 0.11
8 Mesoamerican 0.1
9 Paleo_African 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bosnian 1.76
2 Croatian 2.95
3 Serbian 3.53
4 Hungarian 4.48
5 Austrian 4.99
6 German-South 5.6
7 German_V 5.95
8 Slovenian 6.3
9 Montenegrin 6.31
10 Macedonian 6.71
11 CEU_V 7.76
12 CEU 8.51
13 Croatian_V 8.56
14 Swiss 8.62
15 British 8.83
16 Czech 9.06
17 Bulgarian 9.24
18 Welsh 9.42
19 German 9.51
20 Orcadian 9.69

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.3% German-North + 28.7% Italian-Center @ 0.71
2 60% Macedonian + 40% German-North @ 0.79
3 73.3% German-North + 26.7% Italian-South @ 0.8
4 54.8% Croatian + 45.2% Serbian @ 0.84
5 68.9% Croatian + 31.1% Montenegrin @ 0.85
6 87.5% German_V + 12.5% Jew_Tunisia @ 0.88
7 85% Bosnian + 15% Swiss @ 0.9
8 70.8% Montenegrin + 29.2% Sorb @ 0.91
9 76.7% German_V + 23.3% Ashkenazim_V @ 0.91
10 87.4% Bosnian + 12.6% Provancal @ 0.92
11 84.1% Serbian + 15.9% Polish_V @ 0.93
12 87.9% German_V + 12.1% Jew_Libya @ 0.95
13 71.8% German-North + 28.2% Greek_East @ 0.95
14 81.7% Serbian + 18.3% Sorb @ 0.96
15 74.3% Montenegrin + 25.7% Polish_V @ 0.96
16 70.5% German-North + 29.5% Greek_Center @ 0.96
17 52% Bulgarian + 48% German-North @ 0.97
18 88.3% Serbian + 11.7% Lithuanian_V @ 0.97
19 67.3% Swedish + 32.7% Greek_East @ 0.97
20 96.2% Bosnian + 3.8% Gok4 @ 0.97

puntdnal k15

# Population Percent
1 NE_European 49.41
2 Mediterranean 32.43
3 Caucasian 12.8
4 SW_Asian 4.17
5 Wht_Nile_River 0.51
6 W_African 0.43
7 Amerindian 0.14
8 Horn_Of_Africa 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 3.47
2 French 4.3
3 South_German 4.53
4 Utahn_White 5.05
5 Croatian 6.28
6 Bosnian 7.67
7 Hungarian 7.68
8 Irish 7.69
9 Macedonian 7.79
10 English 8
11 Austrian 8.12
12 Orcadian 8.5
13 Slovenian 8.63
14 Romanian 8.7
15 Bulgarian 9.53
16 Scottish 9.77
17 North_German 10.17
18 Montenegrin 11.17
19 Norwegian 11.62
20 Italian 13.18

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.3% Scottish + 17.7% Cypriot @ 1.19
2 70% English + 30% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.24
3 85.1% English + 14.9% Cypriot @ 1.24
4 65.6% Scottish + 34.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.29
5 72.5% English + 27.5% Greek_Central @ 1.3
6 70.8% Orcadian + 29.2% Tuscan @ 1.34
7 53% Romanian + 47% Scottish @ 1.39
8 71.3% Irish + 28.7% Albanian @ 1.43
9 68.3% Scottish + 31.7% Greek_Central @ 1.43
10 52.2% English + 47.8% Romanian @ 1.44
11 69.2% Orcadian + 30.8% Albanian @ 1.46
12 50.6% Orcadian + 49.4% Romanian @ 1.48
13 59.5% Swedish + 40.5% Tuscan @ 1.49
14 59.5% Irish + 40.5% Montenegrin @ 1.5
15 68.8% Orcadian + 31.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.51
16 73% Irish + 27% Tuscan @ 1.52
17 66% Scottish + 34% Albanian @ 1.52
18 67.8% Scottish + 32.2% Tuscan @ 1.54
19 91.3% Utahn_White + 8.7% Druze @ 1.55
20 53.4% Scottish + 46.6% Montenegrin @ 1.55

Puntdnal k13


# Population Percent
1 NE_Europe 43.86
2 SW_Europe 35.79
3 West_Asia 12.25
4 SW_Asia 5.07
5 East_Africa 1.54
6 Americas 0.97
7 NE_Asia 0.27
8 Oceania 0.19
9 South_Asia 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 2.99
2 German_South 3.7
3 Hungarian 3.93
4 Belgian 4.72
5 Slovene 4.9
6 Bosnian 5.08
7 English 5.29
8 French 5.73
9 Scottish 6.29
10 Slovak 6.64
11 Orcadian 6.7
12 Moldavian 6.71
13 Serbian 6.99
14 Irish 7.06
15 Utahn_European 7.25
16 German_North 8.97
17 Montenegrin 9.75
18 Romanian 11.45
19 Ukrainian 11.49
20 Macedonian 11.61

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.5% Scottish + 10.5% Egyptian_Copts @ 1.3
2 89.2% Scottish + 10.8% Egyptian @ 1.35
3 95.4% German_South + 4.6% Amhara @ 1.39
4 95.3% German_South + 4.7% Tigray @ 1.42
5 70.6% Utahn_European + 29.4% Kosovar @ 1.57
6 95.8% German_South + 4.2% Oromo @ 1.58
7 77.5% Utahn_European + 22.5% Greek_Central @ 1.58
8 95.9% German_South + 4.1% Somali @ 1.6
9 72.7% Utahn_European + 27.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.6
10 61.9% Utahn_European + 38.1% Macedonian @ 1.62
11 71.8% Utahn_European + 28.2% Albanian @ 1.64
12 88.6% Orcadian + 11.4% Egyptian @ 1.67
13 95.8% German_South + 4.2% Wolayta @ 1.69
14 81.1% Utahn_European + 18.9% Italian_Sicilian @ 1.73
15 87.8% Orcadian + 12.2% Jordanian @ 1.75
16 90% English + 10% Syrian @ 1.76
17 80.5% Utahn_European + 19.5% Ashkenazy_Jew @ 1.77
18 85.7% Utahn_European + 14.3% Cypriot @ 1.79
19 81.5% Irish + 18.5% Italian_Sicilian @ 1.8
20 91% English + 9% Egyptian @ 1.81

Eurogenes K13
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 43.66
2 Baltic 21.73
3 West_Med 14.17
4 West_Asian 8.65
5 East_Med 7.87
6 Red_Sea 3.15
7 Northeast_African 0.45
8 Siberian 0.18
9 Amerindian 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_German 3.17
2 South_Dutch 3.5
3 French 7.35
4 North_German 8
5 Southeast_English 8.13
6 North_Dutch 9.34
7 Austrian 9.37
8 Southwest_English 9.39
9 Danish 9.52
10 Orcadian 9.62
11 Irish 10.16
12 West_Scottish 10.68
13 East_German 11.32
14 Norwegian 11.68
15 Swedish 12.44
16 Hungarian 13.63
17 Spanish_Cataluna 15.28
18 Spanish_Galicia 16.17
19 Portuguese 16.21
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 16.32

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76.5% Irish + 23.5% Central_Greek @ 2.03
2 76.9% Irish + 23.1% East_Sicilian @ 2.03
3 75.9% North_Dutch + 24.1% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.08
4 82.9% Irish + 17.1% Cyprian @ 2.18
5 79.6% North_Dutch + 20.4% South_Italian @ 2.21
6 73.3% Irish + 26.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.24
7 84.4% Irish + 15.6% Samaritan @ 2.25
8 78.6% North_Dutch + 21.4% East_Sicilian @ 2.28
9 84.7% Irish + 15.3% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.37
10 78.2% North_Dutch + 21.8% Central_Greek @ 2.37
11 72.3% West_Scottish + 27.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.38
12 74.3% Irish + 25.7% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.39
13 77% North_Dutch + 23% West_Sicilian @ 2.39
14 94.7% South_Dutch + 5.3% Lezgin @ 2.41
15 94.6% South_Dutch + 5.4% Tabassaran @ 2.42
16 75.7% West_Scottish + 24.3% Central_Greek @ 2.43
17 78.2% Irish + 21.8% Ashkenazi @ 2.46
18 94.8% South_Dutch + 5.2% Chechen @ 2.46
19 95.7% South_Dutch + 4.3% Georgian @ 2.5
20 95.2% South_Dutch + 4.8% Adygei @ 2.53

These are my gedmatch results so these dont add up at all with my current ancestry results like usually my med is around 30-32 which slight traces as you can see around 10% of the middle east. Which would you trust more ancestry or gedmatch?

[Alessio]

South_and_West_European 44.79
2 North_and_East_European 35.89
3 Caucaus_Parsia 10.88
4 Middle_East 7.31
5 Sub_Saharian 0.59
6 North_Asian 0.28
7 Arctic_Amerind 0.11
8 Mesoamerican 0.1
9 Paleo_African 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bosnian 1.76
2 Croatian 2.95
3 Serbian 3.53
4 Hungarian 4.48
5 Austrian 4.99
6 German-South 5.6
7 German_V 5.95
8 Slovenian 6.3
9 Montenegrin 6.31
10 Macedonian 6.71
11 CEU_V 7.76
12 CEU 8.51
13 Croatian_V 8.56
14 Swiss 8.62
15 British 8.83
16 Czech 9.06
17 Bulgarian 9.24
18 Welsh 9.42
19 German 9.51
20 Orcadian 9.69

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.3% German-North + 28.7% Italian-Center @ 0.71
2 60% Macedonian + 40% German-North @ 0.79
3 73.3% German-North + 26.7% Italian-South @ 0.8
4 54.8% Croatian + 45.2% Serbian @ 0.84
5 68.9% Croatian + 31.1% Montenegrin @ 0.85
6 87.5% German_V + 12.5% Jew_Tunisia @ 0.88
7 85% Bosnian + 15% Swiss @ 0.9
8 70.8% Montenegrin + 29.2% Sorb @ 0.91
9 76.7% German_V + 23.3% Ashkenazim_V @ 0.91
10 87.4% Bosnian + 12.6% Provancal @ 0.92
11 84.1% Serbian + 15.9% Polish_V @ 0.93
12 87.9% German_V + 12.1% Jew_Libya @ 0.95
13 71.8% German-North + 28.2% Greek_East @ 0.95
14 81.7% Serbian + 18.3% Sorb @ 0.96
15 74.3% Montenegrin + 25.7% Polish_V @ 0.96
16 70.5% German-North + 29.5% Greek_Center @ 0.96
17 52% Bulgarian + 48% German-North @ 0.97
18 88.3% Serbian + 11.7% Lithuanian_V @ 0.97
19 67.3% Swedish + 32.7% Greek_East @ 0.97
20 96.2% Bosnian + 3.8% Gok4 @ 0.97

puntdnal k15

# Population Percent
1 NE_European 49.41
2 Mediterranean 32.43
3 Caucasian 12.8
4 SW_Asian 4.17
5 Wht_Nile_River 0.51
6 W_African 0.43
7 Amerindian 0.14
8 Horn_Of_Africa 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 3.47
2 French 4.3
3 South_German 4.53
4 Utahn_White 5.05
5 Croatian 6.28
6 Bosnian 7.67
7 Hungarian 7.68
8 Irish 7.69
9 Macedonian 7.79
10 English 8
11 Austrian 8.12
12 Orcadian 8.5
13 Slovenian 8.63
14 Romanian 8.7
15 Bulgarian 9.53
16 Scottish 9.77
17 North_German 10.17
18 Montenegrin 11.17
19 Norwegian 11.62
20 Italian 13.18

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.3% Scottish + 17.7% Cypriot @ 1.19
2 70% English + 30% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.24
3 85.1% English + 14.9% Cypriot @ 1.24
4 65.6% Scottish + 34.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.29
5 72.5% English + 27.5% Greek_Central @ 1.3
6 70.8% Orcadian + 29.2% Tuscan @ 1.34
7 53% Romanian + 47% Scottish @ 1.39
8 71.3% Irish + 28.7% Albanian @ 1.43
9 68.3% Scottish + 31.7% Greek_Central @ 1.43
10 52.2% English + 47.8% Romanian @ 1.44
11 69.2% Orcadian + 30.8% Albanian @ 1.46
12 50.6% Orcadian + 49.4% Romanian @ 1.48
13 59.5% Swedish + 40.5% Tuscan @ 1.49
14 59.5% Irish + 40.5% Montenegrin @ 1.5
15 68.8% Orcadian + 31.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.51
16 73% Irish + 27% Tuscan @ 1.52
17 66% Scottish + 34% Albanian @ 1.52
18 67.8% Scottish + 32.2% Tuscan @ 1.54
19 91.3% Utahn_White + 8.7% Druze @ 1.55
20 53.4% Scottish + 46.6% Montenegrin @ 1.55

Puntdnal k13


# Population Percent
1 NE_Europe 43.86
2 SW_Europe 35.79
3 West_Asia 12.25
4 SW_Asia 5.07
5 East_Africa 1.54
6 Americas 0.97
7 NE_Asia 0.27
8 Oceania 0.19
9 South_Asia 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 2.99
2 German_South 3.7
3 Hungarian 3.93
4 Belgian 4.72
5 Slovene 4.9
6 Bosnian 5.08
7 English 5.29
8 French 5.73
9 Scottish 6.29
10 Slovak 6.64
11 Orcadian 6.7
12 Moldavian 6.71
13 Serbian 6.99
14 Irish 7.06
15 Utahn_European 7.25
16 German_North 8.97
17 Montenegrin 9.75
18 Romanian 11.45
19 Ukrainian 11.49
20 Macedonian 11.61

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.5% Scottish + 10.5% Egyptian_Copts @ 1.3
2 89.2% Scottish + 10.8% Egyptian @ 1.35
3 95.4% German_South + 4.6% Amhara @ 1.39
4 95.3% German_South + 4.7% Tigray @ 1.42
5 70.6% Utahn_European + 29.4% Kosovar @ 1.57
6 95.8% German_South + 4.2% Oromo @ 1.58
7 77.5% Utahn_European + 22.5% Greek_Central @ 1.58
8 95.9% German_South + 4.1% Somali @ 1.6
9 72.7% Utahn_European + 27.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.6
10 61.9% Utahn_European + 38.1% Macedonian @ 1.62
11 71.8% Utahn_European + 28.2% Albanian @ 1.64
12 88.6% Orcadian + 11.4% Egyptian @ 1.67
13 95.8% German_South + 4.2% Wolayta @ 1.69
14 81.1% Utahn_European + 18.9% Italian_Sicilian @ 1.73
15 87.8% Orcadian + 12.2% Jordanian @ 1.75
16 90% English + 10% Syrian @ 1.76
17 80.5% Utahn_European + 19.5% Ashkenazy_Jew @ 1.77
18 85.7% Utahn_European + 14.3% Cypriot @ 1.79
19 81.5% Irish + 18.5% Italian_Sicilian @ 1.8
20 91% English + 9% Egyptian @ 1.81

Eurogenes K13
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 43.66
2 Baltic 21.73
3 West_Med 14.17
4 West_Asian 8.65
5 East_Med 7.87
6 Red_Sea 3.15
7 Northeast_African 0.45
8 Siberian 0.18
9 Amerindian 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_German 3.17
2 South_Dutch 3.5
3 French 7.35
4 North_German 8
5 Southeast_English 8.13
6 North_Dutch 9.34
7 Austrian 9.37
8 Southwest_English 9.39
9 Danish 9.52
10 Orcadian 9.62
11 Irish 10.16
12 West_Scottish 10.68
13 East_German 11.32
14 Norwegian 11.68
15 Swedish 12.44
16 Hungarian 13.63
17 Spanish_Cataluna 15.28
18 Spanish_Galicia 16.17
19 Portuguese 16.21
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 16.32

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76.5% Irish + 23.5% Central_Greek @ 2.03
2 76.9% Irish + 23.1% East_Sicilian @ 2.03
3 75.9% North_Dutch + 24.1% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.08
4 82.9% Irish + 17.1% Cyprian @ 2.18
5 79.6% North_Dutch + 20.4% South_Italian @ 2.21
6 73.3% Irish + 26.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.24
7 84.4% Irish + 15.6% Samaritan @ 2.25
8 78.6% North_Dutch + 21.4% East_Sicilian @ 2.28
9 84.7% Irish + 15.3% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.37
10 78.2% North_Dutch + 21.8% Central_Greek @ 2.37
11 72.3% West_Scottish + 27.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.38
12 74.3% Irish + 25.7% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.39
13 77% North_Dutch + 23% West_Sicilian @ 2.39
14 94.7% South_Dutch + 5.3% Lezgin @ 2.41
15 94.6% South_Dutch + 5.4% Tabassaran @ 2.42
16 75.7% West_Scottish + 24.3% Central_Greek @ 2.43
17 78.2% Irish + 21.8% Ashkenazi @ 2.46
18 94.8% South_Dutch + 5.2% Chechen @ 2.46
19 95.7% South_Dutch + 4.3% Georgian @ 2.5
20 95.2% South_Dutch + 4.8% Adygei @ 2.53

These are my gedmatch results so these dont add up at all with my current ancestry results like usually my med is around 30-32 which slight traces as you can see around 10% of the middle east. Which would you trust more ancestry or gedmatch?

Eurogenes K13
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 43.66
2 Baltic 21.73
3 West_Med 14.17
4 West_Asian 8.65
5 East_Med 7.87
6 Red_Sea 3.15
7 Northeast_African 0.45
8 Siberian 0.18
9 Amerindian 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_German 3.17
2 South_Dutch 3.5
3 French 7.35
4 North_German 8
5 Southeast_English 8.13
6 North_Dutch 9.34
7 Austrian 9.37
8 Southwest_English 9.39
9 Danish 9.52
10 Orcadian 9.62
11 Irish 10.16
12 West_Scottish 10.68
13 East_German 11.32
14 Norwegian 11.68
15 Swedish 12.44
16 Hungarian 13.63
17 Spanish_Cataluna 15.28
18 Spanish_Galicia 16.17
19 Portuguese 16.21
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 16.32

I think you're overwhelmingly Northwestern European. So how did you became Muslim?

[torgun0010]

Eurogenes K13
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 43.66
2 Baltic 21.73
3 West_Med 14.17
4 West_Asian 8.65
5 East_Med 7.87
6 Red_Sea 3.15
7 Northeast_African 0.45
8 Siberian 0.18
9 Amerindian 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_German 3.17
2 South_Dutch 3.5
3 French 7.35
4 North_German 8
5 Southeast_English 8.13
6 North_Dutch 9.34
7 Austrian 9.37
8 Southwest_English 9.39
9 Danish 9.52
10 Orcadian 9.62
11 Irish 10.16
12 West_Scottish 10.68
13 East_German 11.32
14 Norwegian 11.68
15 Swedish 12.44
16 Hungarian 13.63
17 Spanish_Cataluna 15.28
18 Spanish_Galicia 16.17
19 Portuguese 16.21
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 16.32

I think you're overwhelmingly Northwestern European. So how did you became Muslim?

I never denied being northern European it is no where near 70npercsnt and wurogenes it sent for me as accurate as puntfnal and ndlp for what I know about not ancestry