Dodecad Ancestry Project

**Loki** · 09-24-2011, 01:37 AM

Originally Posted by Sicilianu101

It's interesting to think that S. Africa had that prejudice racial system when probably many people have at least one Sub-Saharan ancestor.

Not really that interesting. The physical/cultural differences between the population groups were still like day and night, and the admixture non-recent and mostly unknown anyway.

**Transhumanist** · 09-24-2011, 01:49 AM

Originally Posted by Nero

You don't understand anything in genetics. Sorry, but what you write idiocy...

He is actually a very bright person. With, from what I have seen, a solid grasp of the subject in question. But, then again, I am not an academic in this field, so, what do I know.

**Lisa** · 09-24-2011, 01:52 AM

Originally Posted by Quasimodem

Instead of just calling it idiocy, why don't you explain why it's idiocy?

"It" is not a geneticist, you're right; it's an undergraduate fizziks and math student. But I'm not proclaiming myself an authority on genetics. What I just said is junior high school material. Even though not all traits are Mendelian, those ones are.

I am a student too. Just you say things are not true. Just you don't want to admit your mistakes. Why here Mendel I don't understand?

**Humanophage** · 09-24-2011, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by Nero

Very strange map. Finns have less Siberian components than the Russians? This seriously?

Finns scored 9.1%, North Russians scored 10.2% - rather the same amount, the map puts an unnecessary stress on this 1.1%. North Russians are the same Russians from Vologda. Russians overall scored 6.5%.

And why shouldn't they have a relatively high Finno-Ugric and Siberian score? North Russians consistently show a relatively high Siberian element, being related to the local east Finnics. I suppose you know this study, which shows a strong presence of 'Finno-Ugric' N1c (~35%) and even the much more 'Siberian' N1b (~7%) in North Russians, which is virtually absent in Finns (~0.2% N1b, ~60% N1c). Non-Northern Russians lack the Siberian element, and show a much smaller Finno-Ugric one (~0.5% N1b, ~13% N1c).

And indeed, non-Northern Russians such as myself show much lower Asian elements on Dodecad and Eurogenes than Finns do. For instance, here are the Far East results for this particular calculator on which the maps are based:
Norwegian individual #1: 1.93%
Norwegian individual #2: 2.51%
Polish individual: 1.28%
French individual: 0.42%
German individual: 1.50%
Russian individual #1 (me): 4.32%
Russian individual #2: 6.27%
Finnish individual #1: 10.19%
Finnish individual #2: 6.96%
Finnish individual #3: 10.21%
Finnish individual #4: 8.51%
Assyrian individual: 2.79%
Kurdish individual: 7.23%
Turkish individual #1: 7.15%
Turkish individual #2: 10.96%
Half-Euro, half-Filipino individual: 45.74%

Same thing with the main Dodecad calculator. E.g., I have 2.1% Northeast Asian and 0.16% East Asian, average Finns have 6% Northeast Asian and 0.7% Southeast Asian, average Russians have 3.5% Northeast Asian and 0.9 Southeast Asian, average Vologda Russians have 6.3% Northeast Asian and 1% Southeast Asians.

What you say about North Russians being all different is very true. For instance, Pinega Russians are more Siberian than Chuvashes (15.8% N1b, 23.7% N1c), while Vologda Russians are pretty Slavo-Finno-Ugric (3.3% N1b, 35.5% N1c).

It should be noted that it doesn't specify whether the admixtures in question are Siberian. It just says 'Far Eastern'.

**Agrippa** · 09-24-2011, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by Quasimodem

Alleles in your genotype which don't affect your own phenotype can affect your descendants' phenotypes, though.

Sure, I write for years even on this board about recessive traits.

It's conceivable that the same could happen once in a blue moon with two Afrikaners with something like sickle cell anemia, I suppose.

That solely depends on the inheritance pattern and for many Negrid traits, its rather about all or nothing. The cases in which Negrid traits reappeared in a significant way, are very, very rare in mixed populations, because many of the typical Negrid traits, actually the least attractive and favourable ones, being dominant.

For example a very broad-flat nose, frizzy hair, very dark skin etc. being all dominant or intermediate.

So if they disappear in a family, they "are out" - as a rule - and if there is an exception of one out of 100.000 for unknown reasons - who cares!

The statistics for deadly diseases coming up by change with or without mixture being more serious and higher numbered!

Also, what does that tell you about what I said, that racial boundaries make sense, even in a totally mixed group?

If mulattoes mix just among themselves, they will obviously keep up a much higher proportion of Europid traits than if they mix on with Negrids, which will just further dilute their Europoid traits.

Also, on the long run, many Europid-Negrid mixed populations seem, at least with favourable selection, approach a more stable and harmonised form, which is basically Aethiopiform and has higher frequences of long heads, higher faces, narrower noses and lighter skin. So all more progressive and favourable traits.

If they mix on with Negrids, those traits won't stabilise, but disappear.

So even for mulattoes it makes sense if they prefer to mate among themselves, especially keep the women to themselves - which determines their numbers, while males could spread on, like always...