Actual Importance of Haplogroups

[Longbowman]

I'd rather my daughter marry a I1 Dark Man than a R1b White Man.

You change your tune quickly when inconsistency is pointed out, my friend.

Either way this is all patently absurd. There's a good chance you are not the same yDNA as your maternal grandfather and there's a good chance that your grandchildren won't be I1, either. Will you still identify more with the 'I1 Dark Man' than them?

[İrle]

Haplogroups are extremely overrated in genetic geneology.

[rein]

societies*

Whereas Alphas are OK by being cucked by their brothers and fathers, got it.

Deuteronomy 25:5-10 King James Version (KJV)

5 If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her.

6 And it shall be, that the firstborn which she beareth shall succeed in the name of his brother which is dead, that his name be not put out of Israel.

7 And if the man like not to take his brother's wife, then let his brother's wife go up to the gate unto the elders, and say, My husband's brother refuseth to raise up unto his brother a name in Israel, he will not perform the duty of my husband's brother.

8 Then the elders of his city shall call him, and speak unto him: and if he stand to it, and say, I like not to take her;

9 Then shall his brother's wife come unto him in the presence of the elders, and loose his shoe from off his foot, and spit in his face, and shall answer and say, So shall it be done unto that man that will not build up his brother's house.

10 And his name shall be called in Israel, The house of him that hath his shoe loosed.

[Bobby Martnen]

You change your tune quickly when inconsistency is pointed out, my friend.

Either way this is all patently absurd. There's a good chance you are not the same yDNA as your maternal grandfather and there's a good chance that your grandchildren won't be I1, either. Will you still identify more with the 'I1 Dark Man' than them?

I would never give my precious daughters away to a non I1 man

My maternal grandfather is probably E1b

But my paternal grandfather shared I1 with his maternal grandfather

[oszkar07]

How come some haplogroups can be found in small amounts in some populations where they really would be least expected ???

For example I am in a IM223 FTDNA project group , and there have been individuals with this haplogroup from places such as Iraq, Armenia, Egypt, Turkey , Macedonia, and Serbia, even though they would be in a minority of their populations that have this HG its still amazing that what is generally North Euro haplogroup can be spread so far and wide.

Anyone seen other examples of this with other HG's ?

[Longbowman]

I would never give my precious daughters away to a non I1 man

My maternal grandfather is probably E1b

But my paternal grandfather shared I1 with his maternal grandfather

So you don't identify with your maternal grandfather? Pff, your daughters aren't going to listen to you with regards to yDNA, don't be mad.

Deuteronomy 25:5-10 King James Version (KJV)

5 If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her.

6 And it shall be, that the firstborn which she beareth shall succeed in the name of his brother which is dead, that his name be not put out of Israel.

7 And if the man like not to take his brother's wife, then let his brother's wife go up to the gate unto the elders, and say, My husband's brother refuseth to raise up unto his brother a name in Israel, he will not perform the duty of my husband's brother.

8 Then the elders of his city shall call him, and speak unto him: and if he stand to it, and say, I like not to take her;

9 Then shall his brother's wife come unto him in the presence of the elders, and loose his shoe from off his foot, and spit in his face, and shall answer and say, So shall it be done unto that man that will not build up his brother's house.

10 And his name shall be called in Israel, The house of him that hath his shoe loosed.

I don't get your point mate.

How come some haplogroups can be found in small amounts in some populations where they really would be least expected ???

For example I am in a IM233 FTDNA project group , and there have been individuals with this haplogroup from places such as Iraq, Armenia, Egypt, Turkey , Macedonia, and Serbia, even though they would be in a minority of their populations that have this HG its still amazing that what is generally North Euro haplogroup can be spread so far and wide.

Anyone seen other examples of this with other HG's ?

As I said, people move around, even in small numbers. Let's say an I1 person joined the First Crusade and raped some woman in Antioch. Let's say that woman's kid ends up moving to Qamishli. And that man's kid moves to Baghdad. Pow, I1 in Iraq. Is that Arab North Euro? Obviously not, no matter what people pretend. You're not kin. Just as even though my YDNA is Natufian and ancient Israelite I am more connected to I1 Ashkenazim than to E-L29 Jordanians and Palestinians (of which there are many).

[Thracian]

Autosomal DNA could change if you mix with other ethnicities. Haplogroups will still remain.

[Longbowman]

Autosomal DNA could change if you mix with other ethnicities. Haplogroups will still remain.

Then the autosomal DNA is a more accurate representation of who you are, proving my point.

[Thracian]

Then the autosomal DNA is a more accurate representation of who you are, proving my point.

Indeed. Haplogroups also play aimportant role to answer where your great great parents come from. But obviously, AuDNA represents who you are.

[Longbowman]

Indeed. Haplogroups also play aimportant role to answer where your great great parents come from. But obviously, AuDNA represents who you are.

Only two of my great great grandparents though, and even then atDNA is a better tell of that story. atDNA is good for population-wide studies but, again, atDNA is usually better, with haplogroups providing supporting evidence.