Are Kazakhs indeed Turkified Mongols?

[Leto]

But Ukrainians (and Belorussians) are of Russian origin though. If they weren't conquered by the PLC, then they'd be calling themselves Russians today. They're only not considered Russia cause of historical circumstances. Calling Ukrainians "Polonized Russians" is more true than false.

This doesn't mean that Kazakhs are Mongols though. They may just share a common ancient origin. There's a decent argument presented by a Mongol user earlier in this thread that you should rebuke. I personally don't have any opinion on the subject yet.

Great answer, spot on

[Leto]

Them looking Asian is irrelevant. They score a very significant amount of West Eurasian on all calculators. Much of that may be Scythian.

Yes in phenotypes, but genetically they arent pure mongoloids

This. African Americans don't look European either but they do have British ancestry unlike Polish and Italian Americans. I think Russians have little to no direct Scythian ancestry. Southern Russia and Eastern Ukraine were practically depopulated after the Mongol invasion and was repopulated only after 1600 or so.

[Blondie]

We wuz hunz n shiet

Guys plus more info:

1. Haplogroup N is 100% uralic, not mongol not turkic only uralic. Of course you can find it in East Asia too, because this marker originated from there. Ancestors of haplogroup N population were east asians just like mongols, turks, koreans, japs etc. Later this population migrated to Europe and they were mixed with mesolithic cromagnoid europeans, it was a birth moment of proto-uralic population 10000 years ago in North East Europe.

2. Haplogroup C is mongol!

"Although Haplogroup C-M130 attains its highest frequencies among the indigenous populations of Kazakhstan, Mongolia"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_C-M130
Khazaks have significant mongolian ancestry, because of mongol invasion. Haplogroup C is not native in Central Asia but result of mongol conquerors. The biggest concentrations of haplogrop C is in Inner Mongolia, East Mongolia.

3. The haplogroup Q is proto-altaic. Common among turks, mongols, huns, american indians (who are altaic by genetically).

Q1a is mongol, american indian, east siberian
Q1b is turkic

"Many of clades of haplogroup Q1a are believed to have been brought by the Huns, the Mongols and the Turks, who all originated in the Altai region and around modern Mongolia. Haplogroup Q has been identified in Iron Age remains from Hunnic sites in Mongolia by Petkovski et al. (2006) and in Xinjiang by Kang et al. (2013). "
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_Q_Y-DNA.shtml

[Leto]

We wuz hunz n shiet

Guys plus more info:

1. Haplogroup N is 100% uralic, not mongol not turkic only uralic. Of course you can find it in East Asia too, because this marker originated from there. Ancestors of haplogroup N population were east asians just like mongols, turks, koreans, japs etc. Later this population migrated to Europe and they were mixed with mesolithic cromagnoid europeans, it was a birth moment of proto-uralic population 10000 years ago in North East Europe.

10,000 years ago in NE Europe? Not sure.

[mutabor]

Khazaks have significant mongolian ancestry, because of mongol invasion. Haplogroup C is not native in Central Asia but result of mongol conquerors. The biggest concentrations of haplogrop C is in Inner Mongolia, East Mongolia.
Q1b is turkic

I'm disappointed in Mongols. In Kazakhs haplogroup C is 50-60%. Which means that bigger number of powerful conquerors Mongols were Turkified by smaller number of conquered Turks living in Central Asia.

Kypchak Turk Q1b people pride!

Not only that. Conquered Kypchaks made Mongols to completely displace Persian language from Central Asia which was lingua franca in Uzbekistan with Turkic language. Very smart plan!

[Chelubey]

LOOOOL. It is not even my theory. There is serious Chinese scientific research which places formation of Turks somewhere in Western Mongolia where haplogroups Q and C merged.

I doubt that the Chinese scientists, after listening records of voices of Chuchkcha and Kets, made their conclusions based on it

[Blondie]

10,000 years ago in NE Europe? Not sure.

I'm sure:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunda_culture

[Blondie]

In Kazakhs haplogroup C is 50-60%.

Nope, only 36%:



East mongolia, Inner Mongolia has 70-90% haplogroup C:



1/3 of kazakh population is descedants of mongols

[mutabor]

Nope, only 36%:



East mongolia, Inner Mongolia has 70-90% haplogroup C:

1/3 of kazakh population is descedants of mongols

Kazakhs are only 2% Turk ( Q1)? God bless such a strong bad ass group. 2% Q1 Turkified the majority of Kazakhs.

But I'm still disappointed in Mongols because being a big number they didn't manage to Mongolify even a small part of big semi-empty Kazakhstan territory. Very poor results!

Aryanz R1a and R1b: "We love Turkic language. We will help to Turkify Mongol invaders."
J and G Caucasus master races: "Allahu Akbar! Bros lets together Turkify Mongol invaders!"

[Leto]

I'm sure:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunda_culture

Hm. So you believe the proto-Uralic originated somewhere in Estonia? I thought the proto-FU originated somewhere in Udmurtia and Perm Krai (the Kama river).