Ford's (Bosnian Serb) autosomal results

[Dna8]

Vlachs from eastern Serbian are settlers from Banat (around Timisoara) and Oltenia in period 1718-1739. They brought own original name Rumani 140 years before unification of Wallachia and Moldova in Romania.
Serbs call them Vlachs, and that does not exist on their language. Vlachs (Rumani) from eastern Serbia say for themselves on their language: "Eu sunt Rumân."

But they don't think of themselves as Romanians or Romanian-Serbians or Serbians of Romanian descent..

I post this for nuance's sake..

[Voskos]

Some hunnic magyar ancestry.

[Pribislav]

Same thing happened with Montenegro man, which was forcefully united with Serbia and occupied. Montenegrins consider themself Serbs and they are, but their country has very old tradition as indipendent realm and much of their elite was killed by pro-Serbian elements, as well as local Montenegrin dynasty Petrović was forced to abdicate after Montenegro was annexed by Serbia.

Idiot!
Parlament in Podgorica proclaimed unification of Montenegro with kingdom of Serbia in 1918. There was no any Serbian occupation. How Serb can occupy themselves? Montenegro was more Serbian state than Serbia in that time.
King Nikola was removed by local Serbs from Montenegro, not by Belgrade. In that time he was refugee in France. He escaped from Montenegro in 1916 when AU occupied Montenegro.
It was normal that king Petar Karađorđević became ruler of new state because Serbia defeated AU and king Petsr was in the battles. On the other hand Montenegro was not defeated AU, and Nikola escaped as coward.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Idiot!
Parlament in Podgorica proclaimed unification of Montenegro with kingdom of Serbia in 1918. There was no any Serbian occupation. How Serb can occupy themselves? Montenegro was more Serbian state than Serbia in that time.
King Nikola was removed by local Serbs from Montenegro, not by Belgrade. In that time he was refugee in France. He escaped from Montenegro in 1916 when AU occupied Montenegro.
It was normal that king Petar Karađorđević became ruler of new state because Serbia defeated AU and king Petsr was in the battles. On the other hand Montenegro was not defeated AU, and Nikola escaped as coward.

Don't make us laugh. Serbia didn't defeat anyone, you were defeated and moved remnants of your army to Corfu. It was your allies that defeated Austro-Hungary.

[Pribislav]

Don't make us laugh. Serbia didn't defeat anyone, you signed capitaluation and moved remnants of your army to Corfu. It was your allies that defeated Austro-Hungary.

Serbia gave significant contribution in this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonian_Front

When Serbia broke backbone of Bulgarian army in 1918 German kaiser was very angry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kaymakchalan

Don't forget how Serbia humiliated AU on Cer and Kolubara!

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Serbia gave significant contribution in this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonian_Front

When Serbia broke bsckbonr of Bulgarian army in 1918 German kaiser was very angry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kaymakchalan

Don't forget how Serbia humiliated AU on Cer and Kolubara!

Serbs fought honorably in WW1 mate. Nobody disputed that. It's just Serbia was too small to defeat Austro-Hungary on it's own. I'm not trying to undermine bravery of Serbian army.

[Pribislav]

Serbs fought honorably in WW1 mate. Nobody disputed that. It's just Serbia was too small to defeat Austro-Hungary on it's own. I'm not trying to undermine bravery of Serbian army.

These are the best warriors in WW1!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Živojin_Mišić

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepa_Stepanović

[Ford]

Serbs fought honorably in WW1 mate. Nobody disputed that. It's just Serbia was too small to defeat Austro-Hungary on it's own. I'm not trying to undermine bravery of Serbian army.

You are undermining Serbia's effort, even it it's not your intention. Serbia could very well have defeated AU on its own if it wasn't for German (and later Bulgarian) support. The initial invasion of Serbia by AU was a total fiasco which is probably one of the reasons they took out their frustrations on civilians during the Serbian retreat. The allies didn't win the war for Serbia, Serbia won it together with their allies (without Serbs the Thessaloniki front maybe would have never been broken), just as AU together with her allies defeated Serbia in 1915.

[Pribislav]

Eurogenes K36
Population
Armenian 1.45
Central_Euro 10.04
East_Balkan 7.76
East_Central_Euro 15.39
Eastern_Euro 9.59
Fennoscandian 8.79
French 3.84
Iberian 7.41
Italian 10.28
Near_Eastern 5.85
North_Atlantic 4.20
North_Caucasian 3.85
North_Sea 6.19
West_Med 5.35

You are closer to Swedes and Russians than to Albanians.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

You are undermining Serbia's effort, even it it's not your intention. Serbia could very well have defeated AU on its own if it wasn't for German (and later Bulgarian) support. The initial invasion of Serbia by AU was a total fiasco which is probably one of the reasons they took out their frustrations on civilians during the Serbian retreat. The allies didn't win the war for Serbia, Serbia won it together with their allies (without Serbs the Thessaloniki front maybe would have never been broken), just as AU together with her allies defeated Serbia in 1915.

Serbia wouldn't stand much chance if Austro-Hungarian command didn't arrogantly underestimated them. Not because Serb soldiers were inferior (actually they had edge due to defending their homeland and having previous battle experience from Balkan wars) but simply because Serbia couldn't match Austro-Hungary in man power and industrial output (weapons productions etc). Austro-Hungarian army was not modernized but it still had superior logistics and technology compared to Serbia. Also larger pool of men and reserves to draft for war.

Most Serbs do agree without allied help to transport their troops to Corfu they would have even bigger losses. Serbs lost most men during retreat trough Albania, thousands of captured Austro-Hungarian soldiers and officers that were retreating with them also left their bones there.