Iron Age Croatia ?

[Dick]

Edit: seen wrongly

Your first model has great fit, obviously it work for you.
Suprised how much Roman and how little Illyrian you have

yeah but how accurate can it be since Hun avar is one sample, Hrv IA also one sample but ITA collegno 17 samples?

[Jana]

Are you all using scaled or unscaled corrdinates ? I am using scaled. is there a difference ?

[Jana]

Of course. However, I am merely saying people are jumping the gun with regards to the shift. To assume Illyrians were genetically homogeneous all over is wrong. Romans did as they always do(lump groups together). There certainly was genetic deviation region to region as you have among population genetics results today. Naturally Illyrians in Dalmatia will be a little different than those in Albania, ,Macedonia, Kosova etc. They were more in contact with Italic/Celtic tribes on their western periphery. So the shift is no mystery. This is why we look at YDNA to better understand the migratory patterns of a specific clade and try and fill the blanks in as data presents itself.

If southern Illyrians plot as southwest as the Dalmatian samples then we can talk about how big a impact admixture had.

Theres also random recombination events generationally. Some admixtures can be selected for over others.

Yes, we need southern Illyrian samples. They should be closer to Greeks, because of promixity and mixing.

[Vid Flumina]

Very interesting, thanks for sharing. I tried this for Slovenia and got an even closer fit:
"sample": "Slovenian:Average",
"fit": 1.2497,
"HUN_Avar_Szolad": 74.17,
"HRV_Early_IA": 15.83,
"ITA_Collegno_MA_o1": 10,

Not bad, though realistically Slovenia might require additional Germanic and some Italo-Celtic (some of it might be sucked into HRV_IA hence the paleo-Balkan/Roman ratio now reversed)

[dududud]

Very good west-med people.

[Dick]

Edit: seen wrongly

Your first model has great fit, obviously it work for you.
Suprised how much Roman and how little Illyrian you have

Who is ITA Collegno?

anyway here, it's all pen=0;

"fit": 2.9872,
"CZE_Early_Slav": 56.67,
"ITA_Collegno_MA": 43.33,
"HRV_Early_IA": 0


fit": 3.4716,
"CZE_Early_Slav": 56.67,
"HRV_MBA": 43.33

[Jana]

yeah but how accurate can it be since Hun avar is one sample, Hrv IA also one sample but ITA collegno 17 samples?

Avar Szolad has 2 , BA Dalmatia also 2. Small number of samples is better if they are typical because in large sample size outlying individuals skew the results.

[Dick]

Are you all using scaled or unscaled corrdinates ? I am using scaled. is there a difference ?

that website only uses scaled anyway

[Hulu]

Nope. Illyrians were cloest to North Italians and Iberians, West Med like people.

You're wrong again, Italians have more east med and less west med than Albanians, certainly less than me.

[Alenka]

Not bad, though realistically Slovenia might require additional Germanic and some Italo-Celtic (some of it might be sucked into HRV_IA hence the paleo-Balkan/Roman ratio now reversed)

Which samples would you suggest trying for those two components?