White Serb/Sorb gedmatch result!

[vbnetkhio]

Porfirogenet mentions two different locations of white Croatia, one in Bohemia and one much further east, which was frequently plundered by Pechenegs and between Baltic and Black seas.

there was probably a second White Serbia in Ukraine too, since it's mentioned that Hungarians passed through Serbia before coming to Pannonia.
A common match of me and the Sorb is a Rusyn with the surname "Boika". maybe it's connected with the alternate name of White Serbia "Boiki".

[vbnetkhio]

I2a was already in the Balkans via someone else there was no tribe split

in the year 517 Slavs(Antae,Sclaveni) started invading Byzantium from the direction of modern day Romania. Serbs and Croats come around 100 later (yellow arrow)


i2a and r1a subclades which are found both in eastern and western Balkans are probably from these earlier Slavs.

[Cumansky]

"The Dacians (/ˈdeɪʃənz/; Latin: Daci; Greek: Δάκοι,[2] Δάοι,[2] Δάκαι[3]) were a Thracian[4][5][6] people who were the ancient inhabitants of the cultural region of Dacia, located in the area near the Carpathian Mountains and west of the Black Sea. This area includes mainly the present-day countries of Romania and Moldova, as well as parts of Ukraine,[7] Eastern Serbia, Northern Bulgaria, Slovakia,[8] Hungary and Southern Poland.[7] The Dacians spoke the Dacian language, a sub-group of Thracian, but were somewhat culturally influenced by the neighbouring Scythians and by the Celtic invaders of the 4th century BC."

Croatian branch of I2 mostly came from the Dacians. Some Iranic tribe arrived to Carpathians in the migration era. I guess this is "Horvat tribe" or whatever but to be specific they are branch of North Iranic people probably related with "Jassic" people or some other remnant nomadic population that also assimilated into various peoples of the Eurasian Steppe. They probably had female nomads with them, upon their arrival to Carpathian the Dacians assimilated bunch of Feiichys (manly behaving womans) and passed to their offspring Thracian Y-DNA I2. For example when I see western shifted Romanians picking up random "Croatia" region in 23andme but all the eastern shifted Romanians don't, I am confident in this connection

Haplogroup I2
Croatia (38%)
Possible place of origin: Eastern Europe (Balkans), possibly the Eastern Mediterranean

Croatian population 4.076 million, assume half are males 2.038 million, 38% of 2.038 million have I2 haplogroup, majority is PH908

[Cumansky]

"The Dacians (/ˈdeɪʃənz/; Latin: Daci; Greek: Δάκοι,[2] Δάοι,[2] Δάκαι[3]) were a Thracian[4][5][6] people who were the ancient inhabitants of the cultural region of Dacia, located in the area near the Carpathian Mountains and west of the Black Sea. This area includes mainly the present-day countries of Romania and Moldova, as well as parts of Ukraine,[7] Eastern Serbia, Northern Bulgaria, Slovakia,[8] Hungary and Southern Poland.[7] The Dacians spoke the Dacian language, a sub-group of Thracian, but were somewhat culturally influenced by the neighbouring Scythians and by the Celtic invaders of the 4th century BC."

Croatian branch of I2 mostly came from the Dacians. Some Iranic tribe arrived to Carpathians in the migration era. I guess this is "Horvat tribe" or whatever but to be specific they are branch of North Iranic people probably related with "Jassic" people or some other remnant nomadic population that also assimilated into various peoples of the Eurasian Steppe. They probably had female nomads with them, upon their arrival to Carpathian the Dacians assimilated bunch of Feiichys (manly behaving womans) and passed to their offspring Thracian Y-DNA I2. For example when I see western shifted Romanians picking up random "Croatia" region in 23andme but all the eastern shifted Romanians don't, I am confident in this connection

Haplogroup I2
Croatia (38%)
Possible place of origin: Eastern Europe (Balkans), possibly the Eastern Mediterranean

Croatian population 4.076 million, assume half are males 2.038 million, 38% of 2.038 million have I2 haplogroup, majority is PH908

[vbnetkhio]

Aren't Sorbs mostly R1a-L260? Idk their Z280 levels, however, they also practically lack I2a1b-Y3120. Y3120 & Z280 are more dominant in Balkan Serbs. L260 is near insignificant. Also, Whilst L1029 is also present, I think total M458 in Serbs is like 5 percent, whilst the rest is Z280.

Voight may be right that the tribe split from a more eastern positions and not directly from Sorbia. Otherwise it doesn't look like Sorbs left much of a mark in Serbs from a YDNA perspective.

in central Germany there's I2a2Dinaric>PH908>A356/Z16983 which is also found in Serbs. in core Sorb area there's are 2 I2a2 'Dinaric-S' without deeper subclades.
this match of mine is R1a, he didn't test deeper subclades.

so probably I-Z16983 and maybe one R1a subclade brought the Serb name to the Balkans, the other subclades are from those earlier Slavic tribes.

[Cumansky]

in central Germany there's I2a2Dinaric>PH908>A356/Z16983 which is also found in Serbs. in core Sorb area there's are 2 I2a2 'Dinaric-S' without deeper subclades.
this match of mine is R1a, he didn't test deeper subclades.

so probably I-Z16983 and maybe one R1a subclade brought the Serb name to the Balkans, the other subclades are from those earlier Slavic tribes.

You have 2 Serbs in Z-16983 and they are the forefathers of Serbia, lol

You noticed I didn't mention Serbs with I2 haplogroup, because they shouldn't be connected in terms of origin

[Cumansky]

in central Germany there's I2a2Dinaric>PH908>A356/Z16983 which is also found in Serbs. in core Sorb area there's are 2 I2a2 'Dinaric-S' without deeper subclades.
this match of mine is R1a, he didn't test deeper subclades.

so probably I-Z16983 and maybe one R1a subclade brought the Serb name to the Balkans, the other subclades are from those earlier Slavic tribes.

You have 2 Serbs in Z-16983 and they are the forefathers of Serbia, lol

You noticed I didn't mention Serbs with I2 haplogroup, because they shouldn't be connected in terms of origin

[vbnetkhio]

You have 2 Serbs in Z-16983 and they are the forefathers of Serbia, lol

You noticed I didn't mention Serbs with I2 haplogroup, because they shouldn't be connected in terms of origin

the common ancestor of all these people lived in 350 AD, yeah, he must've been a Dacian

[Cumansky]

the common ancestor of all these people lived in 350 AD, yeah, he must've been a Dacian

Exactly, is not a joke, learn history

[MagnusDark]

in central Germany there's I2a2Dinaric>PH908>A356/Z16983 which is also found in Serbs. in core Sorb area there's are 2 I2a2 'Dinaric-S' without deeper subclades.
this match of mine is R1a, he didn't test deeper subclades.

so probably I-Z16983 and maybe one R1a subclade brought the Serb name to the Balkans, the other subclades are from those earlier Slavic tribes.

That scenario makes alot more sense. PH908 would make perfect sense given its bottle-necking/founder effect. Seems to be the most common and probably came from an elite.