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[Pribislav]

so basically, whenever Serbs or Serbia are mentioned, there is some crazy explanation why it doesn't mean Serb but Croat?

seems to be a little too many of these mentions for them all to be "fake".

i've also read such explanations by Croatian historians on why "Serb" in "De Administrando Imperio" doesn't actually mean "Serb".

Croatian (read Jesuit) historiography is full of lies and manipulations. If is sun outside they say it's not day but dark night and vice versa.

[Pribislav]

But the concept of Bosniaks being a distinct ethnicity was first brought up and promoted by Austria-Hungary (specifically Bani Kallay) to divide South Slavs. It may not have picked up momentum until later though.

https://books.google.com/books?id=Sm...osniak&f=false

Benjamin Kallay wanted to create Bosnian nation of all 3 religious groups in Bosnia. His attempts failed.

[Dick]

Mingle is a CIA

[Insuperable]

so basically, whenever Serbs or Serbia are mentioned, there is some crazy explanation why it doesn't mean Serb but Croat?

seems to be a little too many of these mentions for them all to be "fake".

i've also read such explanations by Croatian historians on why "Serb" in "De Administrando Imperio" doesn't actually mean "Serb".

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post5750014
Let's then acknowledge then that when Greek historians wrote about Croats and they obviously meant to write Serb wrote actually about Croats. Note: there is error, it is not 1912 obviously, I forgot what was the actual year.

As for Matej Ninoslav and his charter Pribislav likes to boast which in fact is a supplement to the main charter.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post5748852

[vbnetkhio]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post5750014
Let's then acknowledge then that when Greek historians wrote about Croats and they obviously meant to write Serb wrote actually about Croats. Note: there is error, it is not 1912 obviously, I forgot what was the actual year.

He passed through Dubrovnik. Some Croatian kings were granted control of Byzantine Dalmatian possesions, including Dubrovnik, by the Byzantine emperor.

As for Matej Ninoslav and his charter Pribislav likes to boast which in fact is a supplement to the main charter.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post5748852

that's a different "debunking" than the one Feiichy posted, whom should i believe?

[ph2ter]

I must admit that before 13th century Bosnia east of Vrbas and north of Neretva rivers was always in some way part of Serbia or under control of Serbia.
Every known historical document testifies this, not only Matej Ninoslav charters.
Einhard from 9th century, DAI from 10th century and Kinnamos from 12th century connect Bosnia with Serbia or Serbs.
When Medieval Bosnia included the lands west of Vrbas (Donji Kraji - Hrvoje Hrvatinić lands), it could no longer use Serbian name in political documents,
because Hrvatinić noble family was of Croatian origin and was very important in Bosnia.
After that, from 14th century Bosnian Medieval political elite started to use Bosniak identification exclusively.

[Pribislav]

I must admit that before 13th century Bosnia east of Vrbas and north of Neretva rivers was always in some way part of Serbia or under control of Serbia.
Every known historical document testifies this, not only Matej Ninoslav charters.
Einhard from 9th century, DAI from 10th century and Kinnamos from 12th century connect Bosnia with Serbia or Serbs.
When Medieval Bosnia included the lands west of Vrbas (Donji Kraji - Hrvoje Hrvatinić lands), it could no longer use Serbian name in political documents,
because Hrvatinić noble family was of Croatian origin and was very important in Bosnia.
After that, from 14th century Bosnian Medieval political elite started to use Bosniak identification exclusively.

I don't deny that present day Bosnia west of Vrbas river was part of Croatia until 1102. But present day western Bosnia was short period part of Bosnia in the middle age, most western part of modern Bosnia Cazinska Krajina was never part of Bosnia in the middle age.
As I said border between Serbs and Croatians was on Vrbas river in the middle age. Many Croatians don't want to accept this, one of many reasons is probably because most of present day Bosnian Croatians live east of Vrbas river.

[War Chef]

Indo-European ser means "to protect, to gaurd"

Avestan/Iranic haraiti, haurvaiti, haraiti, haurvaiti, “he guards”

[Jana]

Not all of eastern Bosnia has much to do with Serbia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usora_(region)

Usora (Latin: Vozora, Hungarian: Ózora) was a semi-independent banate (Duchy) in medieval Bosnia and also an administrative division in Croatia in the union with Hungary. It took its name from the river Usora.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banate_of_S%C3%B3

The Banate of Só (Hungarian: Sói bánság or Sófölde) was an administrative unit (banate) on the southern borders of the Kingdom of Hungary between the 12th and the early 15th centuries. Appointed by the king, it was governed by a ban, who served as both administrative and military leader.

Usora i Soli are not Bosnian lands historically, let alone Serb.

[Pribislav]

Not all of eastern Bosnia has much to do with Serbia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usora_(region)

Usora (Latin: Vozora, Hungarian: Ózora) was a semi-independent banate (Duchy) in medieval Bosnia and also an administrative division in Croatia in the union with Hungary. It took its name from the river Usora.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banate_of_S%C3%B3

The Banate of Só (Hungarian: Sói bánság or Sófölde) was an administrative unit (banate) on the southern borders of the Kingdom of Hungary between the 12th and the early 15th centuries. Appointed by the king, it was governed by a ban, who served as both administrative and military leader.

Usora i Soli are not Bosnian lands historically, let alone Serb.

Wrong.
Usora and Soli were under the direct rule of Serbian kings Dragutin and Milutin from Nemanjiće dynasty.
Usora is quite eastern from Vrbas river where was ethnic border between Serbs and Croatians in the middle age.

Ancestors of Dušan and Bosniensis migrated from Usora to the Lika in 16th century. They were part of group known as "Usorci."
"Usorci" are numerous among Lika Serbs.