Proto-Avar Gedmatch + Global25.

[Kaspias]

Now we have found the source of your East Eurasian!

Volga Tatars have the same Sib-NEA ratio by the way. Like 2:1 or even 3:1.

What about Crimean Tatars and Anatolian Turks? I don't think i have seen their Harrapa results before

[Dunai]

Many hungarian also think that, this is a popular urban legend among hungarians.

It refers to the Late Avars, those who the Árpádians have found in the Carpathian Basin. They were already almost completely Europanized:

"Whatever was left of Avar power was effectively ended when the Bulgars expanded their territory into the central and eastern portions of traditional Avar lands around 829. According to Pohl, an Avar presence in Pannonia is certain in 871, but thereafter the name is no longer used by chroniclers. Pohl wrote, "It simply proved impossible to keep up an Avar identity after Avar institutions and the high claims of their tradition had failed". Although, Regino wrote about them at the year of 889. The growing number of archaeological evidence in Transdanubia also presumes an Avar population in the Carpathian Basin in the very late 9th century. Archaeological findings suggest a substantial, late Avar presence on the Great Hungarian Plain, however it is difficult to determine their proper chronology. The preliminary results of the new excavations also imply that the known and largely accepted theory of the destruction of the Avar settlement area is outdated, the disastrous depopulation of the Avar Khaganate has never happened.

Byzantine records, including the "Notitia episcopatuumî", the "Additio patriarchicorum thronorumî" by Neilos Doxopatres, the "Chronica" by Petrus Alexandrinus and the "Notitia patriarchatuum" mention the 9th century Avars as an existing Christian population. The Avars had already been mixing with the more numerous Slavs for generations, and they later came under the rule of external polities, such as the Franks, Bulgaria, and Great Moravia.The Avars in the region known as solitudo avarorum—currently called the Alföld—vanished in an arc of three generations. They slowly merged with the Slavs to create a bilingual Turkic-Slavic-speaking people who were subjected to Frankish domination; the invading Magyars found this composite people in the late 9th century. The De Administrando Imperio, written around 950, clearly states the presence of an Avar population in the region of modern-day Croatia."

[Leto]

What about Crimean Tatars and Anatolian Turks? I don't think i have seen their Harrapa results before

Crim-Tatars are generally scarce on Gedmatch and as for Anatolian Turks I think other members have plenty of results, I don't have any at hand right now.

[Blondie]

It refers to the Late Avars, those who the Árpádians have found in the Carpathian Basin. They were already almost completely Europanized:

"Whatever was left of Avar power was effectively ended when the Bulgars expanded their territory into the central and eastern portions of traditional Avar lands around 829. According to Pohl, an Avar presence in Pannonia is certain in 871, but thereafter the name is no longer used by chroniclers. Pohl wrote, "It simply proved impossible to keep up an Avar identity after Avar institutions and the high claims of their tradition had failed". Although, Regino wrote about them at the year of 889. The growing number of archaeological evidence in Transdanubia also presumes an Avar population in the Carpathian Basin in the very late 9th century. Archaeological findings suggest a substantial, late Avar presence on the Great Hungarian Plain, however it is difficult to determine their proper chronology. The preliminary results of the new excavations also imply that the known and largely accepted theory of the destruction of the Avar settlement area is outdated, the disastrous depopulation of the Avar Khaganate has never happened.

Byzantine records, including the "Notitia episcopatuumî", the "Additio patriarchicorum thronorumî" by Neilos Doxopatres, the "Chronica" by Petrus Alexandrinus and the "Notitia patriarchatuum" mention the 9th century Avars as an existing Christian population. The Avars had already been mixing with the more numerous Slavs for generations, and they later came under the rule of external polities, such as the Franks, Bulgaria, and Great Moravia.The Avars in the region known as solitudo avarorum—currently called the Alföld—vanished in an arc of three generations. They slowly merged with the Slavs to create a bilingual Turkic-Slavic-speaking people who were subjected to Frankish domination; the invading Magyars found this composite people in the late 9th century. The De Administrando Imperio, written around 950, clearly states the presence of an Avar population in the region of modern-day Croatia."

This is true but many thinks early avars were also white europeans not mongoloids, i've seen it many times.

[Leto]

Crim-Tatars are generally scarce on Gedmatch and as for Anatolian Turks I think other members have plenty of results, I don't have any at hand right now.

Found a Turk

Turk - T1, R1a1a

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 42.08
2 Baloch 16.42
3 NE-Euro 14.47
4 Mediterranean 8.37
5 SW-Asian 7.14
6 NE-Asian 3.91
7 Siberian 3.33
8 S-Indian 1.29
9 Beringian 1.25
10 Papuan 0.91
11 American 0.83

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 5.35
2 turk (behar) 7.35
3 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 7.71
4 turk-aydin (hodoglugil) 8.08
5 azeri (harappa) 8.54
6 turkish (harappa) 9.07
7 kumyk (yunusbayev) 9.4
8 stalskoe (xing) 11.53
9 nogai (yunusbayev) 13.64
10 armenian (harappa) 13.66
11 iranian (harappa) 14.21
12 kurd (harappa) 14.25
13 kurd (yunusbayev) 14.52
14 balkar (yunusbayev) 14.53
15 chechen (yunusbayev) 14.74
16 uzbekistan-jew (behar) 15.7
17 north-ossetian (yunusbayev) 16.04
18 kurd (xing) 16.07
19 lezgin (behar) 16.11
20 adygei (hgdp) 16.19

[axlredneck]

A female Proto-Avar.

DA177, Kaz_Nomad_HP

Y-DNA: ---
mt-DNA: D4j1b
Region: Central Steppe
Period: Hunnic
Age: 3rd to 6th century AD.

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Eurogenes K13 result:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Siberian 63.53
2 East_Asian 27.94
3 Amerindian 2.74
4 North_Atlantic 2.56
5 West_Asian 2.52

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Using 1 population approximation:
1 Buryat @ 6.732881
2 Oroqen @ 7.546184
3 Tuvinian @ 10.953559
4 Mongolian @ 16.963058
5 Yakut @ 17.210182
6 Altaian @ 19.741838
7 Evenki @ 23.038284
8 Koryak @ 23.158249
9 Dolgan @ 23.456890
10 Evens @ 25.204424
11 Hakas @ 27.843775
12 Kirgiz @ 29.439655
13 Chukchi @ 29.634632
14 Shors @ 31.932934
15 Kazakh @ 32.271954
16 Ket @ 33.692181
17 Hezhen @ 35.402252
18 Xibo @ 36.830479
19 Selkup @ 36.875515
20 Hazara @ 46.824203

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Buryat +50% Oroqen @ 3.355557

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HarappaWorld results:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Siberian 46.69
2 NE-Asian 42.93
3 Beringian 3.69
4 NE-Euro 1.65
5 Baloch 1.51
6 American 1.39
7 Mediterranean 1.06

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Using 1 population approximation:
1 oroqen_hgdp @ 5.874140
2 buryat_xing @ 7.580870
3 buryat_rasmussen @ 10.111972
4 mongolian_rasmussen @ 12.222739
5 tuvinian_rasmussen @ 14.667026
6 altaian_rasmussen @ 20.728876
7 daur_hgdp @ 22.370081
8 kyrgyz_hodoglugil @ 23.592627
9 hezhen_hgdp @ 23.657894
10 kyrgyz_xing @ 24.919680
11 kazakh_harappa @ 28.663282
12 mongola_hgdp @ 31.386757
13 xibo_hgdp @ 35.378613
14 yakut_hgdp @ 37.633606
15 yukaghir_rasmussen @ 39.209515
16 yukaghir_rasmussen @ 39.209515
17 hazara_hgdp @ 40.265789
18 dolgan_rasmussen @ 40.840603
19 uyghur_hgdp @ 41.585976
20 evenki_rasmussen @ 44.835037

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% buryat_xing +50% oroqen_hgdp @ 3.098740

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% buryat_xing +25% japanese_1000genomes +25% nganassan_rasmussen @ 2.701980

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Global25 SPS:
Distanceto: KAZ_Nomad_HP:DA177
3.932791 Khamnegan
6.614336 Oroqen
6.989056 Nanai
7.176370 Buryat
7.516290 Ulchi
7.547668 Kalmyk
8.009931 Mongolian
8.231970 Daur
8.249049 Nivkh
8.511854 Tuvinian
8.549478 Hezhen
8.723327 Negidal
9.014996 Mogush
10.72015 Todzin
11.09766 Xibo
12.09570 Altaian
12.40653 Mongola
12.76030 Khakass_Kachins
14.33996 Dolgan
14.50916 Sakha
14.62253 Tibetan
14.77078 Yakut
14.77358 Tu
15.23821 Kirghiz
15.40746 Sherpa
15.44069 Yukagir_Tundra
15.58090 Dungan
16.38542 Evenk
16.79448 Koryak
16.98979 Korean

[Ljubic]

How do we know these samples are proto Avar when they have been found in Central Asia though? Any link to an article that states this?

[Imperator Biff]

These guys were actually fun to play as.

[axlredneck]

How do we know these samples are proto Avar when they have been found in Central Asia though? Any link to an article that states this?

These samples are labelled as Nomads, and nomads are open to speculation. From the Hungarian Huns, Avars and Conquerors paper we know the Y-DNA, mt-dna and place of origin of Avars. The Y-DNA line of the male nomad DA95 was found in Hungarian Avars aswell! (Checkout the paper) The mt-dna is mentioned as C, D etc. We know from the same paper that their place of origin was Siberia and eastern part of Central Asia.

Ps. They're from Pavlodar region, Kazakhstan.

[Leto]

These samples are labelled as Nomads, and nomads are open to speculation. From the Hungarian Huns, Avars and Conquerors paper we know the Y-DNA, mt-dna and place of origin of Avars. The Y-DNA line of the male nomad DA95 was found in Hungarian Avars aswell! (Checkout the paper) The mt-dna is mentioned in the same paper (C, D etc). We know from the same paper that their place of origin was Siberia and eastern part of Central Asia.

Ps. They're from Pavlodar region, Kazakhstan.

Is this one from the same burial ground?
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6475762