Serbian Autosomal DNA

[Jana]

Looks like a Russian/Ukrainian with an Ashkenazi grandparent.

(K15)
75.7% Ukrainian + 24.3% Ashkenazi @ 2.61

Interesting yeah, he is full Croat from southern coastal city. His haplogroup is J2b1.

[Pribislav]

Even Pribislav admited admixture of Serbs and Croats in Dalmatia, because it's well known.

In some parts of Dalmatia mixing was relatively common, and in some it was very rare.

Relatively common: Vrlika Krajina, Cetina Krajina, Drniš Krajina

Very rare: Knin Krajina, Bukovica

For Ravni Kotari and Imotska Krajina I'm not sure, probably less than Vrlika/Cetina/Drniš and more than Knin/Bukovica.

The fact is that there was no any mixing between Serbs and Croatians in Dalmatia, but between Orthodox Serbs and Catholic Serbs (aka Bunjevci). Croatians lived in Kvarner far away from Serbs.

[Jana]

In some parts of Dalmatia mixing was relatively common, and in some it was very rare.

Relatively common: Vrlika Krajina, Cetina Krajina, Drniš Krajina

Very rare: Knin Krajina, Bukovica

For Ravni Kotari and Imotska Krajina I'm not sure, probably less than Vrlika/Cetina/Drniš and more than Knin/Bukovica.

The fact is that there was no any mixing between Serbs and Croatians in Dalmatia, but between Orthodox Serbs and Catholic Serbs (aka Bunjevci). Croatians lived in Kvarner far away from Serbs.

Pribi, are you aware your ancestors are religious converts? Prodali veru za večeru
East Herzegovina and Zeta were Catholic.

[Jana]

Vukan Nemanjic, who led Zeta to the prince of Udion, was a Catholic and inherited the titles of Catholic Vojisavljevic. His sons were Orthodox, but in their time Orthodoxy did not spread to Zeta. For this reason, she was later assigned to the administration of Catholic Jelena Anzujska (1276-1309). After that, Zeta was given the "young kings" (Crown Heirs) of the Nemanjic, who were all Orthodox, but even then Orthodoxy was not accepted in Zeta. Balšići (with the exception of the last) are Catholics and admit the Pope. Stronger orthodoxy begins in the time of Crnojevic, who saved the Zeta Metropolis from ruin and transferred its seat from Boka to Vranjina, then to Cetinje. Orthodox conversios continued during the Ottoman period.

Serbian historian Vladimir Corovic writes in "History of the Serbian People" ->

"Contemporary reports provide a great deal of detail about how the Catholic population in the seventeenth century declined substantially in the interior of Turkey, much less in favor of Islam as much as in favor of Orthodoxy. Sima Milutinovic stated in his History of Montenegro that Bishop Ruvim of Cetinje translated into orthodoxy Kuce, Drekalovic and Bratonozic. Ruvim was a contemporary of Paysi and sat in the bishop's chair for a long time. Its activity is also confirmed by Roman accounts. There were 1633 Bjelopavlići people. 200 more Catholic houses, and in 1635. among Zeta and Moraca the number of Catholic souls did not exceed well over a thousand. Pipers, dating back to 1610. considered by almost everyone as a Catholic, they became, for the most part, Orthodox. In Popovo until 1627. out of 12 Catholic churches, 7 went into Orthodox hands; there were similar occurrences around Trebinje. There is also news of the conversion of Catholics to Orthodoxy in Srem, around Ruma and Mitrovica. The main reason for this was that the Catholic higher clergy, for the most part, were not allowed to live under the Turks, but remained largely in neighboring Christian countries. ”

[Pribislav]

Pribi, are you aware your ancestors are religious converts? Prodali veru za večeru
East Herzegovina and Zeta were Catholic.

Daily dose of Feiichy's trolling Serbs.

Stop choking this thread!
Open some thread on Troll Carnival, if it's not enough for you to trolling Serbs and you have nothing smarter to write...

[Jana]

Daily dose of Feiichy's trolling Serbs.

Stop choking this thread!
Open some thread on Troll Carnival, if it's not enough for you to trolling Serbs and you have nothing smarter to write...

No, it's not trolling but historical facts. Unlike Serbs, we don't claim all Catholic Slavic population was Croatian, but Catholic it was without any doubt.

There was never Catholic converting in Montenegro, but any activity of the Catholic Church was merely an attempt to return the population to the Catholic faith.

Now let's go back to the beginning. What is the logic behind the myth of the Catholicization of Serbs (and Montenegrins) west of the Drina-Tara-Komovi line? The logic is to deny the conversion of the ancestors -> "Our ancestors did not convert to Orthodoxy, but they always were, and the evil pope made them Catholic." These are fairy tales. Your ancestors are religious converts.

[Maintenance]

muslim, protestant , catholic convert projecting

[Pribislav]

Serbian historian Vladimir Corovic writes in "History of the Serbian People" ->

Who cares even if Serbs were predominantly Catholics before 13th century as Vojislav Šešelj claim?

We dislike antichrist Pope, and our union with him will never happen.

[vbnetkhio]

Ofcourse there is, troll, you must be mentally sick to deny that. Admixture is measured IBD sharing and not gedmach. Personally you look 0% Croatian (and genetically) to me but your lone example is meaningless.
Mixing was especially common in Dalmatia and lot of Croats converted to orthodoxy (as well as in western Bosnia). That's why western Serbs have quite a lot typical Croatian surnames that don't exist in Serbia or Montenegro at all.

Even Pribislav admited admixture of Serbs and Croats in Dalmatia, because it's well known. Even Voyt ancestors were Croats who converted to orthodoxy and today they are ''Serbs''. LMAO.

Southern Croats don't score North Italian like admixture in majority, because Bronze Age Dalmatians were pulled SE by Roman admix most likely. I score it because I am part German, my father has some Germanic like input too. North Italian is south Italian + German. Tuscan like admix is far more realistic and that's what majority get.

This is gedmatch of coastal (Čakavian) Dalmatian Croat whose full ancestry is native to Kaštela up to before Ottoman migrations. So he has no any ancestry from BiH or Štokavian speakers.

Admix Results (sorted):

1 Baltic 34.39
2 North_Atlantic 26.92
3 West_Med 14.89
4 East_Med 12.56
5 West_Asian 5.67
6 Siberian 1.91
7 South_Asian 1.28
8 Red_Sea 1.22
9 Oceanian 0.51
10 Amerindian 0.47
11 Sub-Saharan 0.11
12 East_Asian 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

1 Croatian 4.06
2 Moldavian 4.68
3 Hungarian 6.31
4 Serbian 7.81
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.58
6 South_Polish 10.01
7 Ukrainian 10.49
8 Austrian 10.74
9 East_German 10.81
10 Romanian 11.55
11 Polish 13.5
12 Bulgarian 13.63
13 Southwest_Russian 14.01
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 14.73
15 Russian_Smolensk 15.64
16 Estonian_Polish 15.85
17 Belorussian 16.42
18 Kargopol_Russian 17.85
19 West_German 18.05
20 Southwest_Finnish 18.17

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

1 61.9% Estonian_Polish + 38.1% Tuscan @ 1.73
2 62.8% Southwest_Russian + 37.2% North_Italian @ 1.99
3 52.3% Estonian + 47.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.05
4 71.3% Ukrainian + 28.7% Tuscan @ 2.17
5 64.8% Southwest_Russian + 35.2% Tuscan @ 2.19
6 54.9% Lithuanian + 45.1% Tuscan @ 2.2
7 74.1% Ukrainian + 25.9% West_Sicilian @ 2.21
8 61.1% Belorussian + 38.9% Tuscan @ 2.43
9 65.2% Estonian_Polish + 34.8% West_Sicilian @ 2.45
10 79.7% South_Polish + 20.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.53
11 59.5% Estonian + 40.5% West_Sicilian @ 2.53
12 62.3% Russian_Smolensk + 37.7% Tuscan @ 2.54
13 78.9% Ukrainian + 21.1% Italian_Jewish @ 2.56
14 68% Serbian + 32% Estonian_Polish @ 2.59
15 62.6% Estonian + 37.4% South_Italian @ 2.64
16 58% Serbian + 42% Ukrainian @ 2.68
17 69.4% South_Polish + 30.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.7
18 59.9% Bulgarian + 40.1% Estonian @ 2.74
19 79.8% South_Polish + 20.2% Italian_Jewish @ 2.74
20 58.4% Lithuanian + 41.6% West_Sicilian @ 2.77

well yeah, Krajina Serbs mixed with South Croats (Bunjevci), who also arrived to Krajina as newcomers, at the same time as the Serbs. they didn't mix much with the actual native Croats of that region, north Chakavians and Kajkavians, who have a lot of r1b, and autosomally a lot of North Atlantic and West Med. example of a Serb who could be modelled with such influence is Hungry Lion. but such results are rare.

[Leto]

So what if there were some religious changes centuries ago? Does that mean modern people aren't Serbian? Lol. Some Eastern Slavs (aka Russians) were also forced into Uniatism by the Polish elite. There were various other sects and schismatic groups. I myself have Catholic and sectarian ancestors. All of that has little to nothing to do with genetics.