Moldovan/Romanian GEDmatch Resuts

[Leto]

Let's play a guessing game. Can you predict how she would score on K13?

https://www.publika.md/echipa/marina...aeva_2201.html

From 14th second
https://www.publika.md/atentie-emisi...e_1348021.html

Urusbaeva sounds non-Slavic, non-Russian.
I'd guess her as 25-30% or so.

[Leto]

Well her surname is Russian, so she is most likely of Russian descent first of all, but was born in Chisinau, Moldova and apparently has also got some local mix. My guess would be either 1/4 or 1/8 Roma. She matches the full Roma (Arap) and also other full Romas from Wallachia, which I will publish in the yet to be created Wallachian thread.


# Population Percent
1 Baltic 36.01
2 North_Atlantic 16.62
3 West_Asian 12.45
4 East_Med 12.34
5 West_Med 12.23
6 South_Asian 4.34
7 Red_Sea 1.86
8 Siberian 1.65
9 Amerindian 1.59
10 Oceanian 0.55
11 Northeast_African 0.36

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 8.59
2 Croatian 11.04
3 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.41
4 Serbian 13.6
5 Romanian 14.39
6 Ukrainian 14.6
7 Bulgarian 14.83
8 Ukrainian_Belgorod 15.31
9 Hungarian 15.37
10 Southwest_Russian 15.44
11 South_Polish 15.67
12 Tatar 17.58
13 Polish 17.87
14 Russian_Smolensk 18.08
15 Erzya 18.26
16 Kargopol_Russian 18.53
17 Estonian_Polish 18.66
18 Belorussian 19.65
19 Austrian 20.02
20 East_German 20.14

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.3% Estonian_Polish + 28.7% Armenian @ 5.11
2 70.8% Estonian_Polish + 29.2% Georgian_Jewish @ 5.11
3 61.7% Erzya + 38.3% Central_Greek @ 5.12
4 70% Erzya + 30% Cyprian @ 5.14
5 71.2% Kargopol_Russian + 28.8% Assyrian @ 5.15
6 75.2% Southwest_Russian + 24.8% Assyrian @ 5.21
7 71.1% Estonian_Polish + 28.9% Assyrian @ 5.23
8 75% Southwest_Russian + 25% Georgian_Jewish @ 5.26
9 69.7% Kargopol_Russian + 30.3% Cyprian @ 5.28
10 75.5% Southwest_Russian + 24.5% Armenian @ 5.29
11 71.3% Southwest_Russian + 28.7% Turkish @ 5.31
12 62.8% Erzya + 37.2% East_Sicilian @ 5.32
13 66.9% Estonian_Polish + 33.1% Turkish @ 5.33
14 65.3% Erzya + 34.7% South_Italian @ 5.37
15 61.6% Lithuanian + 38.4% Turkish @ 5.4
16 66.2% Lithuanian + 33.8% Assyrian @ 5.4
17 72.2% Kargopol_Russian + 27.8% Kurdish_Jewish @ 5.41
18 71.1% Kargopol_Russian + 28.9% Georgian_Jewish @ 5.43
19 55.6% Erzya + 44.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.44
20 76.2% Ukrainian + 23.8% Georgian_Jewish @ 5.44

Can you post her Dodecad K12b? She is obviously part Russian but also obviously part something else.

[WeirdLookingFellow]

Well her surname is Russian, so she is most likely of Russian descent first of all, but was born in Chisinau, Moldova and apparently has also got some local mix. My guess would be either 1/4 or 1/8 Roma. She matches the full Roma (Arap) and also other full Romas from Wallachia, which I will publish in the yet to be created Wallachian thread.


# Population Percent
1 Baltic 36.01
2 North_Atlantic 16.62
3 West_Asian 12.45
4 East_Med 12.34
5 West_Med 12.23
6 South_Asian 4.34
7 Red_Sea 1.86
8 Siberian 1.65
9 Amerindian 1.59
10 Oceanian 0.55
11 Northeast_African 0.36

High West Asian and South Asian seem to be characteristic of people with Roma ancestry. Would have never guessed she has any though. Harappaworld?

[Seya]

Somebody should forward this thread to Seya, she tested both parents and one of them is full Romanian Moldovan (from south) as far as I know. Other is partly Greek.
Her fully Moldovan parent result would improve this average.

i doubt they will add my father in that graphic. although he's fully Moldavian from Vrancea for generations and he only scores Romania and Moldova on 23andme, he plots south with Bulgarians and that will mess up the average. anyone who doesn't meet the expectations is declared mixed and cut off. no one will ever find the moldovian average, at least not on TA.

[Leto]

[Ion Basescul]

i doubt they will add my father in that graphic. although he's fully Moldavian from Vrancea for generations and he only scores Romania and Moldova on 23andme, he plots south with Bulgarians and that will mess up the average. anyone who doesn't meet the expectations is declared mixed and cut off. no one will ever find the moldovian average, at least not on TA.

No, they don't. Everyone who is put as mixed is actually of mixed heritage. I have all the kits, so if there are unbelievers then they should simply PM me and ask for them. Then they can check for themselves and do the detective work. All people are easily googleable.

[Ion Basescul]

She kind of looks Romanian/Moldovan here. Her Russian descent is more obvious in the video that I linked.

[Ion Basescul]

Can you post her Dodecad K12b? She is obviously part Russian but also obviously part something else.

# Population Percent
1 North_European 43.79
2 Atlantic_Med 19.36
3 Caucasus 18.52
4 Southwest_Asian 6.3
5 Gedrosia 5.51
6 South_Asian 4.45
7 Siberian 1.8
8 East_Asian 0.27

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarians (Behar) 10.07
2 Romanians (Behar) 12.94
3 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 14.52
4 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 15.54
5 German (Dodecad) 16.78
6 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 18.4
7 Polish (Dodecad) 20.06
8 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 20.71
9 Mordovians (Yunusbayev) 22.18
10 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 22.53
11 Russian (Dodecad) 23.3
12 Russian_B (Behar) 23.47
13 Dutch (Dodecad) 23.6
14 Belorussian (Behar) 24.03
15 Russian (HGDP) 24.05
16 Swedish (Dodecad) 24.25
17 Norwegian (Dodecad) 25.84
18 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 26.16
19 O_Italian (Dodecad) 26.19
20 French (Dodecad) 26.24

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60% Russian (HGDP) + 40% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 5.13
2 54.3% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 45.7% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 5.23
3 62.1% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 37.9% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 5.29
4 59% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 41% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 5.41
5 52.1% FIN30 (1000Genomes) + 47.9% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 5.45
6 60.1% Russian (HGDP) + 39.9% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 5.5
7 64.2% Russian (Dodecad) + 35.8% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 5.56
8 52.2% Russian (HGDP) + 47.8% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 5.57
9 50.8% Finnish (Dodecad) + 49.2% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 5.59
10 62.2% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 37.8% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 5.61
11 64.7% Russian (Dodecad) + 35.3% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 5.63
12 71.3% Polish (Dodecad) + 28.7% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 5.66
13 66.8% Romanians (Behar) + 33.2% Russian (HGDP) @ 5.72
14 56.9% Russian (HGDP) + 43.1% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 5.73
15 71.4% Polish (Dodecad) + 28.6% Iranians (Behar) @ 5.74
16 51.5% FIN30 (1000Genomes) + 48.5% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 5.78
17 73.6% Romanians (Behar) + 26.4% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 5.8
18 67.1% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 32.9% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 5.84
19 67.6% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 32.4% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 5.85
20 71.1% Polish (Dodecad) + 28.9% Syrians (Behar) @ 5.85


Considering that Romanian-b is a full Roma, she can be modelled as about 1/4 Roma, as I expected.

# Population Percent
1 NE-Euro 45.13
2 Caucasian 17.09
3 Mediterranean 16.9
4 Baloch 8.02
5 S-Indian 4.8
6 SW-Asian 4.39
7 Siberian 2.06
8 American 1.01
9 Papuan 0.6

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 slovenian (xing) 9.19
2 hungarian (behar) 9.32
3 romanian-a (behar) 13.32
4 ukranian (yunusbayev) 13.68
5 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 15.23
6 mordovian (yunusbayev) 17.68
7 n-european (xing) 17.74
8 russian (behar) 18.96
9 utahn-white (hapmap) 19.28
10 belorussian (behar) 19.48
11 utahn-white (1000genomes) 19.73
12 french (hgdp) 20.35
13 chuvash (behar) 21.24
14 russian (hgdp) 21.29
15 british (1000genomes) 21.58
16 orcadian (hgdp) 22.89
17 italian (hgdp) 24.96
18 tuscan (hgdp) 26.82
19 tuscan (1000genomes) 26.9
20 tuscan (hapmap) 26.9

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.5% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 28.5% romanian-b (behar) @ 2.68
2 63.8% belorussian (behar) + 36.2% romanian-b (behar) @ 4.28
3 86.7% slovenian (xing) + 13.3% bene-israel-jew (behar) @ 4.43
4 78.7% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 21.3% iraqi-arab (harappa) @ 4.44
5 84.5% slovenian (xing) + 15.5% pashtun (harappa) @ 4.47
6 63.6% mordovian (yunusbayev) + 36.4% ashkenazi (harappa) @ 4.58
7 65.9% mordovian (yunusbayev) + 34.1% ashkenazy-jew (behar) @ 4.62
8 57.8% romanian-a (behar) + 42.2% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 4.73
9 70.1% mordovian (yunusbayev) + 29.9% sephardic-jew (behar) @ 4.73
10 77.5% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 22.5% turkish (harappa) @ 4.75
11 72.9% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 27.1% turk-aydin (hodoglugil) @ 4.76
12 83.6% slovenian (xing) + 16.4% turkmen (yunusbayev) @ 4.76
13 81% slovenian (xing) + 19% romanian-b (behar) @ 4.77
14 79% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 21% armenian (harappa) @ 4.79
15 62.6% romanian-a (behar) + 37.4% russian (hgdp) @ 4.86
16 70.3% mordovian (yunusbayev) + 29.7% morocco-jew (behar) @ 4.9
17 79.5% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 20.5% lebanese-muslim (haber) @ 4.93
18 86.7% slovenian (xing) + 13.3% kashmiri (harappa) @ 4.96
19 87.3% slovenian (xing) + 12.7% gujarati-muslim (harappa) @ 4.97
20 78.9% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 21.1% lebanese (behar) @ 5

[Seya]

No, they don't. Everyone who is put as mixed is actually of mixed heritage. I have all the kits, so if there are unbelievers then they should simply PM me and ask for them. Then they can check for themselves and do the detective work. All people are easily googleable.

There have been discussions before. Some people here seem to know my heritage better than i do.

[Leto]

Yes, she is at least 1/8 Tzigane. Maybe even 1/4

(tzigane is an actual obsolete word in English)