Moldovan/Romanian GEDmatch Resuts

[Leto]

South Balkanites are enough swarthy already, add to that Kurdish-like and low caste Indian-like input and you got average Gypsy.
Their DNA matches their looks very well.

Really? They look clearly non-white.
But maybe you're right. Tamil + Kurd/Turk/Armenian + Southern Euro. Not exactly a Nordic looking mix, to say the least.

[Jana]

We will have plenty of them in the Wallachian thread. I expect you to be a regular there.

You should make western Romanian thread too (Transylvania, Maramures, Banat and Crișana, including Szekler and Saxon samples). That would be awesome.

[Ion Basescul]

You should make western Romanian thread too (Transylvania, Maramures, Banat and Crișana, including Szekler and Saxon samples). That would be awesome.

I have no idea how to discriminate between Szekler and Hungarian from Hungary or Saxon and German from Germany surnames.
But I will have a thread on Romanian samples from Transylvania too. There might be some minorities too, if they are very obvious not to miss.

[Aspirin]

Would a Transylvanian also have his email on list.ru?
This surname is most popular in Ukraine, according to forebears.io, the guy has an email on a Russian domain, but a very obvious Romanian/Moldovan name. Hence, moldovan din talpa.

He can have foreign ancestry, or he is not even from RM. Moldavians can't be so much southern, this historically is imposible, only if these individuals have foreign ancestry, since such individuals are plenty in RM. This is another reason why in norhern areas many with such results looks like outliers.

[Jana]

I have no idea how to discriminate between Szekler and Hungarian from Hungary or Saxon and German from Germany surnames.
But I will have a thread on Romanian samples from Transylvania too. There might be some minorities too, if they are very obvious not to miss.

You could check if by looking at their gedmatch. I saw one of two Transylvanian Saxon 23andme results and they are mixed with Romanians.
Szeklers also have stronger Balkan input than regular Hungarians, they will plot mostly like user Kokeny and her mum.

[Jana]

He can have foreign ancestry, or he is not even from RM. Moldavians can't be so much southern, this historically is imposible, only if these individuals have foreign ancestry, since such individuals are plenty in RM. This is another reason why in norhern areas many with such results looks like outliers.

Has there ever been Aromanian settlement to southern Moldova? Those samples are not far from Balkan Vlachs genetically.

[Aspirin]

Has there ever been Aromanian settlement to southern Moldova? Those samples are not far from Balkan Vlachs genetically.

Maybe as merchants. But I don't think these results have something to do with Aromanians.

I made a thread with people from that village from Ștefan Vodă, and they don't look like Aromanians.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...strict-Moldova

[Ion Basescul]

Really? They look clearly non-white.
But maybe you're right. Tamil + Kurd/Turk/Armenian + Southern Euro. Not exactly a Nordic looking mix, to say the least.

At least the ones that have public data on GEDmatch look presentable.
Obviously not hwhite, but they aren't that strange. And they are also full Romas standing at 20-25% South Indian.
I will only give one example here. This person will be labelled as a full Roma in the Wallachian thread. She also has photos in traditional Gypsy folk costumes.
Most Gypsies that we see on the streets though are piss poor and/or living a nomadic lifestyle, so they look less pleasant than they could be.
Obviously those that give a damn about DNA and/or are more educated are able to take better care of themselves. Perhaps that's why they don't stand out, at least from my point of view.

Spoiler!

K13
North_Atlantic 5.66 Pct
Baltic 14.80 Pct
West_Med 12.28 Pct
West_Asian 18.02 Pct
East_Med 16.44 Pct
Red_Sea 3.01 Pct
South_Asian 25.06 Pct
East_Asian 2.61 Pct
Siberian 0.44 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 1.38 Pct
Northeast_African 0.09 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.19 Pct

S-Indian 21.23 Pct
Baloch 14.69 Pct
Caucasian 26.19 Pct
NE-Euro 16.02 Pct
SE-Asian 0.82 Pct
Siberian 0.84 Pct
NE-Asian 0.69 Pct
Papuan 1.32 Pct
American -
Beringian 0.15 Pct
Mediterranean 11.96 Pct
SW-Asian 5.79 Pct
San -
E-African -
Pygmy -
W-African 0.30 Pct


# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 26.19
2 S-Indian 21.23
3 NE-Euro 16.02
4 Baloch 14.69
5 Mediterranean 11.96
6 SW-Asian 5.79
7 Papuan 1.32
8 Siberian 0.84
9 SE-Asian 0.82
10 NE-Asian 0.69
11 W-African 0.3
12 Beringian 0.15

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 romanian-b (behar) 3.43
2 turkmen (yunusbayev) 22.01
3 pashtun (harappa) 22.42
4 turk-aydin (hodoglugil) 22.55
5 bene-israel-jew (behar) 22.74
6 tajik (yunusbayev) 24
7 ashkenazi (harappa) 25.47
8 ashkenazy-jew (behar) 25.64
9 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 25.66
10 turkish (harappa) 25.7
11 nogai (yunusbayev) 26.36
12 stalskoe (xing) 26.43
13 azeri (harappa) 26.45
14 iranian (harappa) 26.64
15 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 26.69
16 kurd (harappa) 27.05
17 iranian (behar) 27.21
18 turk (behar) 27.22
19 kashmiri (harappa) 27.56
20 haryana-jatt (harappa) 27.69

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.9% romanian-b (behar) + 9.1% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 2.46
2 93.3% romanian-b (behar) + 6.7% urkarah (xing) @ 2.65
3 95.5% romanian-b (behar) + 4.5% chuvash (behar) @ 2.73
4 91.4% romanian-b (behar) + 8.6% pashtun (harappa) @ 2.73
5 93% romanian-b (behar) + 7% haryana-jatt (harappa) @ 2.73
6 94% romanian-b (behar) + 6% burusho (hgdp) @ 2.8
7 93.9% romanian-b (behar) + 6.1% kalash (hgdp) @ 2.81
8 97.1% romanian-b (behar) + 2.9% finnish (1000genomes) @ 2.82
9 96.1% romanian-b (behar) + 3.9% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 2.82
10 93.7% romanian-b (behar) + 6.3% pathan (hgdp) @ 2.84
11 96.4% romanian-b (behar) + 3.6% russian (hgdp) @ 2.84
12 93.3% romanian-b (behar) + 6.7% stalskoe (xing) @ 2.85
13 94.4% romanian-b (behar) + 5.6% lezgin (behar) @ 2.87
14 93.4% romanian-b (behar) + 6.6% nogai (yunusbayev) @ 2.89
15 94.8% romanian-b (behar) + 5.2% bhatia (harappa) @ 2.9
16 96.5% romanian-b (behar) + 3.5% russian (behar) @ 2.91
17 94% romanian-b (behar) + 6% punjabi-khatri (harappa) @ 2.92
18 97% romanian-b (behar) + 3% lithuanian (behar) @ 2.93
19 94.3% romanian-b (behar) + 5.7% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) @ 2.93
20 94.6% romanian-b (behar) + 5.4% uzbek (behar) @ 2.93

Romanian-b is full Roma from Romania.

[Jana]

Maybe as merchants. But I don't think these results have something to do with Aromanians.

I made a thread with people from that village from Ștefan Vodă, and they don't look like Aromanians.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...strict-Moldova

Not familiar with Aromanian look tbh. What do you think is cause of such results?

[Ion Basescul]

Maybe as merchants. But I don't think these results have something to do with Aromanians.

I made a thread with people from that village from Ștefan Vodă, and they don't look like Aromanians.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...strict-Moldova

Can I ask how would you expect to score? Take K13 as a base, make some estimates and post them in this thread and then some months/years down the line we will compare how good you are at estimating autosomal breakdowns by looking at one's phenotype.