Dodecad k12b south, west and central asian results

**~~Ion Basescul~~** · 04-06-2020, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by Leto

As Ion Basescul said, Roma/Tzigane ancestry is more than likely in your case. Let's be honest. Why would a full Romanian be modeled as 1/3 Afghan Tajik? That's a West and South Asian admixed population.

Everyone is free to believe what they want. Except the recent seasonal workers from Sri Lanka, there aren't any other populations other than Romas in Romania who could have introduced the South Asian in the genepool.
To demonstrate that, I simply removed all the non-Balkan, Anatolian and Eastern Euro pops from the current K13 spreadsheet. I would even suggest to remove the Anatolian Turks, but I kept them just for the sake of the argument, as Turks (more like Tatars though) still live in the Dobrogea region.
Average Wallachia, Transylvania, Roma mixed averages and full Romas are taken from my table.

Code:

Csango_Gymes,27.25,29.91,14.27,7.02,11.16,3.75,1.25,0.88,2.8,0.76,0,1.00,0
Greek_Thessaly,19.12,16.32,20.63,11.87,25.40,3.83,1.35,0.09,0.20,0.70,0.32,0.13,0.03
Greek_Andros_Island,19.35,10.61,18.08,15.98,28.96,4.76,0,0.37,0.54,0.73,0,0.64,0
Greek_Cappadocian,6.83,3.81,18.16,27.6,36.59,4.92,0.94,0.03,0.64,0.03,0.4,0,0
Greek_Chios,12.26,6.67,20.79,20.21,33.04,5.56,0,0.58,0.45,0.02,0.19,0.18,0
Greek_Cypriot,5.67,2.81,19.86,20.34,41.08,8.12,0.5,0.07,0.23,0,0.47,0.3,0.54
Greek_Dodecanese,11.6,4.81,21.36,16.98,35.05,7.015,1.49,0.58,0.36,0.33,0.07,0.27,0.13
Greek_Caucasus,2.09,2.19,14.56,38.52,36.1,4.13,1.64,0.14,0.14,0,0.49,0,0
Greek_Macedonia_Thrace,15.23,16.22,18.36,17.97,26.41,3.56,0.54,0.36,0.58,0,0.53,0.15,0.03
Greek_Peloponnese,18.56,14.36,21.06,15.04,24.24,5.05,0,0.57,0.29,0.28,0.17,0,0.32
Greek_Symi_Island,14.19,2.63,21.63,17.09,35.08,5.84,1.17,0.68,0.64,0,0,0.7,0.34
Greek_Trabzon,3.03,2.61,15.35,37.05,36.21,3.91,0.95,0.22,0.3,0.04,0.3,0,0.3
GR_Macedonia,16.955,18.8833333333,19.22,14.8316666667,24.9683333333,3.0516666667,0.3616666667,0.385,0.6433333333,0,0.485,0.18,0.035
GR_Peloponese,18.50375,15.75625,19.3175,12.96125,26.99875,3.585,1.23375,0.375,0.34375,0.205,0.50875,0.2075,0.00125
Hungarian_East,32.83,34.08,12.65,6.39,8.86,1.15,0.98,0.75,1.21,0.48,0.62,0.14,0.14
Hungarian_New,30.92,31.31,13.19,7.45,10.4,1.25,0.85,0.41,1.35,0.81,0.23,0.27,0.08
Moldavian,24.45,33.59,14.99,9.79,10.47,1.56,1.29,0.52,1.31,0.78,0.75,0.08,0.41
Nogay,9.25,13.23,6.43,31.31,10.06,0.46,2.77,9.16,15.03,1.24,0.51,0.34,0.21
Romanian_Botosani,22.52,33.55,15.3,9.67,13.39,2.08,1.2,0.4,1.78,0,0,0,0
Romanian_Oltenia,24.37,24.49,17.09,11.28,18.04,2.14,0.55,0.27,0.83,0.60,0.18,0.09,0.06
Romanian_South_Central_Moldova,23.66,27.39,16.45,10.42,16.41,2.00,0.2,0.56,2.15,0.37,0.35,0.04,0
Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina,24.97,31.21,15.12,9.58,13.13,1.48,1.49,0.47,1.74,0.54,0.25,0,0.12
Romanian_Muntenia,23.20,24.80,19.75,10.02,20.15,0,0,0.7,1.75,0.27,0.45,0,02
Romanian_Transylvania,24.69,25.70,18.14,11.08,16.35,0.79,0.36,0.52,0.68,0.84,0.7,0,0.13
Romanian_Average,23.90,27.86,16.98,10.34,16.25,1.42,0.63,0.58,1.49,0.44,0.32,0.16,0.09
Romani,12.8,11.93,12.72,16.85,15.39,2.76,23.48,1.75,0.64,0.35,0.84,0.35,0.13
Sephardic_Jewish,15.63,1.81,19.83,13.04,36.91,8.90,0.61,0.38,0.78,0.00,0.33,1.12,0.65
Serbian_new,25.1342857143,30.1357142857,16.5271428571,8.7135714286,15.37,1.75,0.3692857143,0.2928571429,0.8414285714,0.3471428571,0.3021428571,0.0435714286,0.0978571429
Szekely,27.10,29.27,13.95,8.86,12.73,2.00,1.51,0.66,2.28,0.90,0.54,0.11,0.08
Tatar,18.88,34.62,5.85,11.66,3.85,0.90,2.68,3.12,15.56,2.00,0.28,0.13,0.46
Turk_Anatolia,7.8,6.7,11.49,28.23,26.85,4.32,3.32,3.21,6.46,0.63,0.45,0.3,0.23
Turk_Central_Black_Sea,5.57,5.29,11.47,31.63,27.5,4.32,2.57,3.81,6.75,0.59,0.3,0.02,0.08
Turk_Central_East,6.5,6,11.05,29.12,29.7,4.14,3.61,2.42,5.93,0.55,0.53,0.18,0.21
Turk_Central_West,9.43,6.14,11.37,27.29,27.47,4.87,2.76,3.24,5.81,0.51,0.59,0.26,0.21
Turk_Cypriot,5.87,3.86,18.77,18.36,36.95,8.38,2.06,0.64,1.47,0.3,0,1.95,1.31
Turk_East,5.37,4.44,10.98,35.86,29.82,4.02,4.85,1.19,2.15,0.61,0.25,0.3,0.13
Turk_East_Black_Sea,2,2.18,14.83,40.78,33.76,2.4,1.81,0.76,0.89,0.12,0.38,0,0
Turk_Meskhetian,1.28,2.96,12.66,45.51,29.35,3.41,2.82,1.13,0.09,0.06,0.4,0.3,0
Turk_North_West,8.8,9.51,12.55,25.66,23.89,2.89,2.3,4.75,8.02,0.63,0.61,0.26,0.07
Turk_South,6.89,6.1,10.81,27.85,26.51,5.15,3.94,3.32,7.45,0.44,0.45,0.5,0.48
Turk_South_East,5.41,4.3,10.44,34.23,30.39,4.93,4.07,1.77,3.24,0.35,0.32,0.36,0.12
Ukrainian,27.77,43.57,12.05,6.12,5.68,0.16,1.09,0.91,1.41,0.78,0.28,0.11,0.07
Ukrainian_Belgorod,25.78,47.29,7.85,8.78,5.54,0.58,1.10,0.71,1.02,0.59,0.25,0.16,0.34
Ukrainian_Lviv,27.35,41.85,11.96,7.10,5.29,1.79,1.20,0.39,1.36,0.82,0.75,0.00,0.13
Greek_Istanbul,18.08,15.35,16.12,19.69,26.36,2.59,0,0,0.53,0.42,0.73,0.13,0
Greek_Eastern-Thrace,16.34,17.89,20.20,13.03,27.42,3.63,0,0,1.02,0.31,0.13,0,0
Greek_Western-Thrace,21.88,13.08,22.91,12.65,25.86,1.90,0,1.34,0,0.38,0,0,0
Greek_Eastern-Macedonia,20.66,15.94,21.89,13.13,22.35,4.13,0,0.41,0.19,0,0.06,1.25,0
Greek_Western-Macedonia,22.83,18.2,18.37,13.76,23.52,1.52,0,0.49,1.28,0,0,0,0
Greek_Northern-Thrace,19.04,22.53,19.23,12.02,24.12,0,0,0,1.00,0,1.52,0,0
Greek_Thessaloniki,19.32,20.53,20.5,11.27,25.05,2.32,0,0,0.73,0.29,0,0,0
Greek_Central-Macedonia,23.34,16.97,18.98,11.86,22.95,3.96,0,0,0.81,0.64,0.46,0,0
Serb_North-Macedonia,18.17,25.73,24.26,13.50,14.58,2.09,0,0,0,0.99,0,0.68,0
Vlach_Central-Macedonia,21.16,16.34,21.87,11.20,23.99,4.14,0.06,0.43,0,0,0.81,0,0
Vlach_North-Macedonia,22.21,19.88,20.33,11.84,19.73,4.68,0,0.66,0,0,0.67,0,0
Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander,21.34,21.03,18.47,10.96,22.05,4.71,0,0,0,1.06,0.25,0.12,0
Macedonian_Southwest,18.21,23.02,22.24,10.01,23.19,2.53,0,0.8,0,0,0,0,0
Macedonian_Central,19.26,23.57,21.08,12.68,20.06,1.89,0,0.17,1.10,0,0,0,0.20
Macedonian_Southeast,21.19,19.31,17.17,15.1,20.65,3.91,0,0.84,0.59,0.29,0.95,0,0
Macedonian_East,23.4,22.77,19.9,8.95,21.84,1.13,0,0.77,0.85,0.16,0,0,0.24
Macedonian_Northwest,23.21,23.67,19.11,10.68,18.68,2.14,0.58,0.47,1.46,0,0,0,0
Macedonian_North,20.21,24.00,21.25,10.02,21.18,2.53,0,0.81,0,0,0,0,0
Macedonian_Greece,16.58,23.42,18.82,14.49,23.78,0.88,0,1.48,0.25,0,0.12,0,0.18
Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central,21.08,20.82,21.51,10.81,23.51,0.98,0,0,0.16,0.74,0.39,0,0
Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East,19.26,17.27,22.23,11.81,23.16,3.03,0,1.33,0.93,0.98,0,0,0
Bulgarian_Sofia,20.64,27.60,18.10,9.15,17.80,2.88,0.90,0.53,0.82,0.70,0.66,0.20,0
Bulgarian_Dupnitsa,27.23,27.16,16.45,9.78,13.18,2.69,0,0.28,2.16,0.23,0.84,0,0
Bulgarian_Southwest,26.90,22.33,16.06,9.16,21.27,1.27,0.06,0.11,2.00,0.56,0.29,0.00,0.00
Bulgarian_Serres,22.95,22.58,19.15,8.27,19.21,5.11,1.60,0.07,0.20,0.49,0,0,0.36	
Bulgarian_Thrace,17.09,19.89333,19.62667,12.54,24.65667,2.01,2.416667,0.726667,0.753333,0,0.286667,0,0
Bulgarian_Eastern-Rhodopes,21.73,21.46,17.37,14.88,16.78,3.54,1.61,1.12,0,0.47,0.88,0.16,0
Bulgarian_Central,24.07,22.36,18.89,9.84,19.77,1.91,0.21,0,1.53,0.97,0.44,0.01,0
Bulgarian_Northwest,16.56,29.65,18.57,12.5,17.17,2.86,0,1.4,0.38,0,0.91,0,0
Bulgarian_Pazardzhik,17.05,26.34,20.12,11.33,18.95,2.93,0,0.48,0.95,0.76,0.53,0.54,0
Bulgarian_Burgas,23.92,21.59,14.33,17.54,19.18,1.39,0.35,0.27,0.49,0,0,0.94,0
Bulgarian_Pleven,24.14,27.52,16.69,7.96,18.37,1.31,1.09,0.31,1.44,0.96,0.21,0,0	
Bulgarian_Gabrovo,22.02,23.32,18.08,12.17,18.41,3.15,1.36,0.41,1.08,0,0,0,0
Bulgarian_Ruse,17.59,29.84,17.48,15.72,15.73,1.36,0,0.45,0.25,0,1.40,0.18,0
Bulgarian_Plovdiv,23.68,20.24,18.62,11.63,22.44,1.85,0,0,0,0.99,0.55,0,0
Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora,21.65,24.49,17.67,11.29,19.07,3.29,0,0,1.33,0,1.08,0,0.13
Bulgarian_North-Rhodope,21.90,22.46,18.39,13.49,19.27,2.48,0,0.29,0.73,0.62,0.37,0,0
Pomak_Komotini,15.18,22.66,17.87,16.57,21.45,3.07,0.04,0.92,0.63,0.9,0.45,0,0.27
Pomak_Central-Macedonia,24.01,21.38,13.21,13.02,20.84,5.57,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
Pomak_Xanthi,14.67,28.41,17.04,8.30,26.71,3.25,0,0,0.49,1.13,0,0,0
Pomak_Plovdiv,21.86,27.36,16.93,7.50,22.14,1.68,0,0.82,0,0.78,0.23,0.47,0.24
Pomak_Nevrokopi,20.29,23.47,17.57,12.92,20.7,2.76,0,0.75,0.19,0.68,0.66,0,0
Pomak_Drama,17.96,22.92,16.03,14.84,21.63,3.02,1.80,0,1.02,0.59,0.20,0,0
Pomak_Kavala,21.86,24.65,14.51,14.45,16.30,6.90,0.25,0,0,0,0,1.08,0
Turk_Kardzhali-Mountaineer,15.65,18.37,15.33,17.42,17.18,3.97,0,3.47,7.75,0.47,0,0.4,0	
Turk_Xanthi,17.64,19.53,13.78,14.43,25.22,2.09,0,1.91,3.70,0.16,0.61,0,0
Turk_Komotini,14.83,18.25,12.70,15.92,22.85,2.77,1.68,1.92,6.80,0.87,0.46,0,0.95
Turk_Kardzhali-South-Plain,14.6,18.22,12.61,16.66,21.62,4.36,0.63,2.34,8.17,0.34,0,0.42,0.04
Turk_N-Macedonia,19.62,26.16,14.14,12.18,18.91,2.55,2.33,1.13,2.05,0.67,0.04,0.21,0
Turk_Thessaloniki,19.29,19.58,17.35,12.55,26.1,1.97,0,0.51,1.38,0.94,0,0,0.32
Turk_Stara-Zagora,21.7,18.28,14.13,15.26,19.21,4.15,1.27,0.54,4.73,0.58,0,0.14,0
Turk_Edirne,13.92,14.66,16.81,19.56,20.22,2.35,3.04,3.03,5.28,0.53,0.53,0.07,0
Turk_Kardzhali-Alevi,17.75,17.11,15.37,21.97,16.46,0.9,0.12,4.61,5.19,0,0,0,0.53
Turk_Kazanlik,20.10,16.93,17.68,11.70,22.85,1.50,2.76,1.72,3.09,0.72,0.59,0.37,0
Turk_Burgas,19.03,11.49,14.52,19.18,23.94,3.15,1.32,2.12,4.28,0.44,0,0.16,0.37
Turk_Kavala,22.02,18.10,16.46,14.95,20.83,1.60,0,1.12,2.06,0.27,0.21,0,0.12
Turk_Sliven-Alevi,20.29,20.76,14.36,19.19,13.55,2.51,2.98,2.70,1.95,1.38,0,0,0.33
Turk_Crete,15.92,13.82,17.01,15.12,26.39,4.34,0,1.98,2.4,0.21,0.19,1.76,0.87
Turk_Drama,17.20,22.87,15.61,15.52,19.94,1.52,1.62,2.76,1.90,0.27,0.26,0.19,0.34
Turk_Dobrich,18.15,22.61,15.49,12.65,18.85,4.32,2.72,2.17,0.35,1.73,0,0.59,0.38
Turk_Razgrad,21.27,22.84,14.09,12.92,19.33,1.03,2.24,2.57,2.24,0.25,0.12,0,1.10
Turk_Alexandroupoli,21.94,16.43,16.91,13.31,23.54,4.30,0,0.35,2.08,0.99,0,0.13,0
Turk_Targovishte,20.17,18.88,12.05,14.29,22.67,2.61,1.15,3.42,3.38,0.61,0.77,0,0
Turk_Kardzhali-West,16.43,21.01,14.99,15.94,16.79,3.94,3.41,3.15,3.24,0.79,0.31,0,0
Turk_Kardzhali-East,21.29,16.80,14.74,14.36,18.50,2.29,0.23,1.80,5.40,2.55,1.10,0.66,0.29
Turk_Dobruja-Tatar,12.70,25.39,7.77,11.38,5.82,2.15,2.09,10.20,20.74,0.91,0.52,0,0.33

**Leto** · 04-06-2020, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Everyone is free to believe what they want. Except the recent seasonal workers from Sri Lanka, there aren't any other populations other than Romas in Romania who could have introduced the South Asian in the genepool.
To demonstrate that, I simply removed all the non-Balkan, Anatolian and Eastern Euro pops from the current K13 spreadsheet. I would even suggest to remove the Anatolian Turks, but I kept them just for the sake of the argument, as Turks (more like Tatars though) still live in the Dobrogea region.
Average Wallachia, Transylvania, Roma mixed averages and full Romas are taken from my table.

Code:

Csango_Gymes,27.25,29.91,14.27,7.02,11.16,3.75,1.25,0.88,2.8,0.76,0,1.00,0
Greek_Thessaly,19.12,16.32,20.63,11.87,25.40,3.83,1.35,0.09,0.20,0.70,0.32,0.13,0.03
Greek_Andros_Island,19.35,10.61,18.08,15.98,28.96,4.76,0,0.37,0.54,0.73,0,0.64,0
Greek_Cappadocian,6.83,3.81,18.16,27.6,36.59,4.92,0.94,0.03,0.64,0.03,0.4,0,0
Greek_Chios,12.26,6.67,20.79,20.21,33.04,5.56,0,0.58,0.45,0.02,0.19,0.18,0
Greek_Cypriot,5.67,2.81,19.86,20.34,41.08,8.12,0.5,0.07,0.23,0,0.47,0.3,0.54
Greek_Dodecanese,11.6,4.81,21.36,16.98,35.05,7.015,1.49,0.58,0.36,0.33,0.07,0.27,0.13
Greek_Caucasus,2.09,2.19,14.56,38.52,36.1,4.13,1.64,0.14,0.14,0,0.49,0,0
Greek_Macedonia_Thrace,15.23,16.22,18.36,17.97,26.41,3.56,0.54,0.36,0.58,0,0.53,0.15,0.03
Greek_Peloponnese,18.56,14.36,21.06,15.04,24.24,5.05,0,0.57,0.29,0.28,0.17,0,0.32
Greek_Symi_Island,14.19,2.63,21.63,17.09,35.08,5.84,1.17,0.68,0.64,0,0,0.7,0.34
Greek_Trabzon,3.03,2.61,15.35,37.05,36.21,3.91,0.95,0.22,0.3,0.04,0.3,0,0.3
GR_Macedonia,16.955,18.8833333333,19.22,14.8316666667,24.9683333333,3.0516666667,0.3616666667,0.385,0.6433333333,0,0.485,0.18,0.035
GR_Peloponese,18.50375,15.75625,19.3175,12.96125,26.99875,3.585,1.23375,0.375,0.34375,0.205,0.50875,0.2075,0.00125
Hungarian_East,32.83,34.08,12.65,6.39,8.86,1.15,0.98,0.75,1.21,0.48,0.62,0.14,0.14
Hungarian_New,30.92,31.31,13.19,7.45,10.4,1.25,0.85,0.41,1.35,0.81,0.23,0.27,0.08
Moldavian,24.45,33.59,14.99,9.79,10.47,1.56,1.29,0.52,1.31,0.78,0.75,0.08,0.41
Nogay,9.25,13.23,6.43,31.31,10.06,0.46,2.77,9.16,15.03,1.24,0.51,0.34,0.21
Romanian_Botosani,22.52,33.55,15.3,9.67,13.39,2.08,1.2,0.4,1.78,0,0,0,0
Romanian_Oltenia,24.37,24.49,17.09,11.28,18.04,2.14,0.55,0.27,0.83,0.60,0.18,0.09,0.06
Romanian_South_Central_Moldova,23.66,27.39,16.45,10.42,16.41,2.00,0.2,0.56,2.15,0.37,0.35,0.04,0
Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina,24.97,31.21,15.12,9.58,13.13,1.48,1.49,0.47,1.74,0.54,0.25,0,0.12
Romanian_Muntenia,23.20,24.80,19.75,10.02,20.15,0,0,0.7,1.75,0.27,0.45,0,02
Romanian_Transylvania,24.69,25.70,18.14,11.08,16.35,0.79,0.36,0.52,0.68,0.84,0.7,0,0.13
Romanian_Average,23.90,27.86,16.98,10.34,16.25,1.42,0.63,0.58,1.49,0.44,0.32,0.16,0.09
Romani,12.8,11.93,12.72,16.85,15.39,2.76,23.48,1.75,0.64,0.35,0.84,0.35,0.13
Sephardic_Jewish,15.63,1.81,19.83,13.04,36.91,8.90,0.61,0.38,0.78,0.00,0.33,1.12,0.65
Serbian_new,25.1342857143,30.1357142857,16.5271428571,8.7135714286,15.37,1.75,0.3692857143,0.2928571429,0.8414285714,0.3471428571,0.3021428571,0.0435714286,0.0978571429
Szekely,27.10,29.27,13.95,8.86,12.73,2.00,1.51,0.66,2.28,0.90,0.54,0.11,0.08
Tatar,18.88,34.62,5.85,11.66,3.85,0.90,2.68,3.12,15.56,2.00,0.28,0.13,0.46
Turk_Anatolia,7.8,6.7,11.49,28.23,26.85,4.32,3.32,3.21,6.46,0.63,0.45,0.3,0.23
Turk_Central_Black_Sea,5.57,5.29,11.47,31.63,27.5,4.32,2.57,3.81,6.75,0.59,0.3,0.02,0.08
Turk_Central_East,6.5,6,11.05,29.12,29.7,4.14,3.61,2.42,5.93,0.55,0.53,0.18,0.21
Turk_Central_West,9.43,6.14,11.37,27.29,27.47,4.87,2.76,3.24,5.81,0.51,0.59,0.26,0.21
Turk_Cypriot,5.87,3.86,18.77,18.36,36.95,8.38,2.06,0.64,1.47,0.3,0,1.95,1.31
Turk_East,5.37,4.44,10.98,35.86,29.82,4.02,4.85,1.19,2.15,0.61,0.25,0.3,0.13
Turk_East_Black_Sea,2,2.18,14.83,40.78,33.76,2.4,1.81,0.76,0.89,0.12,0.38,0,0
Turk_Meskhetian,1.28,2.96,12.66,45.51,29.35,3.41,2.82,1.13,0.09,0.06,0.4,0.3,0
Turk_North_West,8.8,9.51,12.55,25.66,23.89,2.89,2.3,4.75,8.02,0.63,0.61,0.26,0.07
Turk_South,6.89,6.1,10.81,27.85,26.51,5.15,3.94,3.32,7.45,0.44,0.45,0.5,0.48
Turk_South_East,5.41,4.3,10.44,34.23,30.39,4.93,4.07,1.77,3.24,0.35,0.32,0.36,0.12
Ukrainian,27.77,43.57,12.05,6.12,5.68,0.16,1.09,0.91,1.41,0.78,0.28,0.11,0.07
Ukrainian_Belgorod,25.78,47.29,7.85,8.78,5.54,0.58,1.10,0.71,1.02,0.59,0.25,0.16,0.34
Ukrainian_Lviv,27.35,41.85,11.96,7.10,5.29,1.79,1.20,0.39,1.36,0.82,0.75,0.00,0.13
Greek_Istanbul,18.08,15.35,16.12,19.69,26.36,2.59,0,0,0.53,0.42,0.73,0.13,0
Greek_Eastern-Thrace,16.34,17.89,20.20,13.03,27.42,3.63,0,0,1.02,0.31,0.13,0,0
Greek_Western-Thrace,21.88,13.08,22.91,12.65,25.86,1.90,0,1.34,0,0.38,0,0,0
Greek_Eastern-Macedonia,20.66,15.94,21.89,13.13,22.35,4.13,0,0.41,0.19,0,0.06,1.25,0
Greek_Western-Macedonia,22.83,18.2,18.37,13.76,23.52,1.52,0,0.49,1.28,0,0,0,0
Greek_Northern-Thrace,19.04,22.53,19.23,12.02,24.12,0,0,0,1.00,0,1.52,0,0
Greek_Thessaloniki,19.32,20.53,20.5,11.27,25.05,2.32,0,0,0.73,0.29,0,0,0
Greek_Central-Macedonia,23.34,16.97,18.98,11.86,22.95,3.96,0,0,0.81,0.64,0.46,0,0
Serb_North-Macedonia,18.17,25.73,24.26,13.50,14.58,2.09,0,0,0,0.99,0,0.68,0
Vlach_Central-Macedonia,21.16,16.34,21.87,11.20,23.99,4.14,0.06,0.43,0,0,0.81,0,0
Vlach_North-Macedonia,22.21,19.88,20.33,11.84,19.73,4.68,0,0.66,0,0,0.67,0,0
Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander,21.34,21.03,18.47,10.96,22.05,4.71,0,0,0,1.06,0.25,0.12,0
Macedonian_Southwest,18.21,23.02,22.24,10.01,23.19,2.53,0,0.8,0,0,0,0,0
Macedonian_Central,19.26,23.57,21.08,12.68,20.06,1.89,0,0.17,1.10,0,0,0,0.20
Macedonian_Southeast,21.19,19.31,17.17,15.1,20.65,3.91,0,0.84,0.59,0.29,0.95,0,0
Macedonian_East,23.4,22.77,19.9,8.95,21.84,1.13,0,0.77,0.85,0.16,0,0,0.24
Macedonian_Northwest,23.21,23.67,19.11,10.68,18.68,2.14,0.58,0.47,1.46,0,0,0,0
Macedonian_North,20.21,24.00,21.25,10.02,21.18,2.53,0,0.81,0,0,0,0,0
Macedonian_Greece,16.58,23.42,18.82,14.49,23.78,0.88,0,1.48,0.25,0,0.12,0,0.18
Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central,21.08,20.82,21.51,10.81,23.51,0.98,0,0,0.16,0.74,0.39,0,0
Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East,19.26,17.27,22.23,11.81,23.16,3.03,0,1.33,0.93,0.98,0,0,0
Bulgarian_Sofia,20.64,27.60,18.10,9.15,17.80,2.88,0.90,0.53,0.82,0.70,0.66,0.20,0
Bulgarian_Dupnitsa,27.23,27.16,16.45,9.78,13.18,2.69,0,0.28,2.16,0.23,0.84,0,0
Bulgarian_Southwest,26.90,22.33,16.06,9.16,21.27,1.27,0.06,0.11,2.00,0.56,0.29,0.00,0.00
Bulgarian_Serres,22.95,22.58,19.15,8.27,19.21,5.11,1.60,0.07,0.20,0.49,0,0,0.36	
Bulgarian_Thrace,17.09,19.89333,19.62667,12.54,24.65667,2.01,2.416667,0.726667,0.753333,0,0.286667,0,0
Bulgarian_Eastern-Rhodopes,21.73,21.46,17.37,14.88,16.78,3.54,1.61,1.12,0,0.47,0.88,0.16,0
Bulgarian_Central,24.07,22.36,18.89,9.84,19.77,1.91,0.21,0,1.53,0.97,0.44,0.01,0
Bulgarian_Northwest,16.56,29.65,18.57,12.5,17.17,2.86,0,1.4,0.38,0,0.91,0,0
Bulgarian_Pazardzhik,17.05,26.34,20.12,11.33,18.95,2.93,0,0.48,0.95,0.76,0.53,0.54,0
Bulgarian_Burgas,23.92,21.59,14.33,17.54,19.18,1.39,0.35,0.27,0.49,0,0,0.94,0
Bulgarian_Pleven,24.14,27.52,16.69,7.96,18.37,1.31,1.09,0.31,1.44,0.96,0.21,0,0	
Bulgarian_Gabrovo,22.02,23.32,18.08,12.17,18.41,3.15,1.36,0.41,1.08,0,0,0,0
Bulgarian_Ruse,17.59,29.84,17.48,15.72,15.73,1.36,0,0.45,0.25,0,1.40,0.18,0
Bulgarian_Plovdiv,23.68,20.24,18.62,11.63,22.44,1.85,0,0,0,0.99,0.55,0,0
Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora,21.65,24.49,17.67,11.29,19.07,3.29,0,0,1.33,0,1.08,0,0.13
Bulgarian_North-Rhodope,21.90,22.46,18.39,13.49,19.27,2.48,0,0.29,0.73,0.62,0.37,0,0
Pomak_Komotini,15.18,22.66,17.87,16.57,21.45,3.07,0.04,0.92,0.63,0.9,0.45,0,0.27
Pomak_Central-Macedonia,24.01,21.38,13.21,13.02,20.84,5.57,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
Pomak_Xanthi,14.67,28.41,17.04,8.30,26.71,3.25,0,0,0.49,1.13,0,0,0
Pomak_Plovdiv,21.86,27.36,16.93,7.50,22.14,1.68,0,0.82,0,0.78,0.23,0.47,0.24
Pomak_Nevrokopi,20.29,23.47,17.57,12.92,20.7,2.76,0,0.75,0.19,0.68,0.66,0,0
Pomak_Drama,17.96,22.92,16.03,14.84,21.63,3.02,1.80,0,1.02,0.59,0.20,0,0
Pomak_Kavala,21.86,24.65,14.51,14.45,16.30,6.90,0.25,0,0,0,0,1.08,0
Turk_Kardzhali-Mountaineer,15.65,18.37,15.33,17.42,17.18,3.97,0,3.47,7.75,0.47,0,0.4,0	
Turk_Xanthi,17.64,19.53,13.78,14.43,25.22,2.09,0,1.91,3.70,0.16,0.61,0,0
Turk_Komotini,14.83,18.25,12.70,15.92,22.85,2.77,1.68,1.92,6.80,0.87,0.46,0,0.95
Turk_Kardzhali-South-Plain,14.6,18.22,12.61,16.66,21.62,4.36,0.63,2.34,8.17,0.34,0,0.42,0.04
Turk_N-Macedonia,19.62,26.16,14.14,12.18,18.91,2.55,2.33,1.13,2.05,0.67,0.04,0.21,0
Turk_Thessaloniki,19.29,19.58,17.35,12.55,26.1,1.97,0,0.51,1.38,0.94,0,0,0.32
Turk_Stara-Zagora,21.7,18.28,14.13,15.26,19.21,4.15,1.27,0.54,4.73,0.58,0,0.14,0
Turk_Edirne,13.92,14.66,16.81,19.56,20.22,2.35,3.04,3.03,5.28,0.53,0.53,0.07,0
Turk_Kardzhali-Alevi,17.75,17.11,15.37,21.97,16.46,0.9,0.12,4.61,5.19,0,0,0,0.53
Turk_Kazanlik,20.10,16.93,17.68,11.70,22.85,1.50,2.76,1.72,3.09,0.72,0.59,0.37,0
Turk_Burgas,19.03,11.49,14.52,19.18,23.94,3.15,1.32,2.12,4.28,0.44,0,0.16,0.37
Turk_Kavala,22.02,18.10,16.46,14.95,20.83,1.60,0,1.12,2.06,0.27,0.21,0,0.12
Turk_Sliven-Alevi,20.29,20.76,14.36,19.19,13.55,2.51,2.98,2.70,1.95,1.38,0,0,0.33
Turk_Crete,15.92,13.82,17.01,15.12,26.39,4.34,0,1.98,2.4,0.21,0.19,1.76,0.87
Turk_Drama,17.20,22.87,15.61,15.52,19.94,1.52,1.62,2.76,1.90,0.27,0.26,0.19,0.34
Turk_Dobrich,18.15,22.61,15.49,12.65,18.85,4.32,2.72,2.17,0.35,1.73,0,0.59,0.38
Turk_Razgrad,21.27,22.84,14.09,12.92,19.33,1.03,2.24,2.57,2.24,0.25,0.12,0,1.10
Turk_Alexandroupoli,21.94,16.43,16.91,13.31,23.54,4.30,0,0.35,2.08,0.99,0,0.13,0
Turk_Targovishte,20.17,18.88,12.05,14.29,22.67,2.61,1.15,3.42,3.38,0.61,0.77,0,0
Turk_Kardzhali-West,16.43,21.01,14.99,15.94,16.79,3.94,3.41,3.15,3.24,0.79,0.31,0,0
Turk_Kardzhali-East,21.29,16.80,14.74,14.36,18.50,2.29,0.23,1.80,5.40,2.55,1.10,0.66,0.29
Turk_Dobruja-Tatar,12.70,25.39,7.77,11.38,5.82,2.15,2.09,10.20,20.74,0.91,0.52,0,0.33

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Good analysis. We have nothing against Impaler but the truth is South Asian ancestry is quite distinct and foreign in Europe, so unless it's only 1-2% on Gedmatch (especially the Eurogenes SA component which is at least 50% Caucasoid), it must be real. Either Indo-Pakistani or Gypsy.

Mortimer is at least 50% Romani (I believe his father was 1/8 too) and he scores 13% SA on K13. I can pull up his results if you're interested.

**Leto** · 04-06-2020, 03:52 PM

Mortimer's K13

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 17.04
2 West_Med 16.07
3 Baltic 16.06
4 East_Med 15.34
5 West_Asian 15.14
6 South_Asian 13.02
7 Red_Sea 2.67
8 East_Asian 2.04
9 Oceanian 1.13
10 Amerindian 0.68
11 Siberian 0.55
12 Sub-Saharan 0.27

**~~Ion Basescul~~** · 04-06-2020, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by Leto

Mortimer's K13

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 17.04
2 West_Med 16.07
3 Baltic 16.06
4 East_Med 15.34
5 West_Asian 15.14
6 South_Asian 13.02
7 Red_Sea 2.67
8 East_Asian 2.04
9 Oceanian 1.13
10 Amerindian 0.68
11 Siberian 0.55
12 Sub-Saharan 0.27

Looks like a halfie, what is his ancestry?

**Leto** · 04-06-2020, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Looks like a halfie, what is his ancestry?

Don't you know Morti? His mother is a Serbian Gypsy, looks strongly Indid. His deceased father was allegedly Serbian with distant Gypsy and Russian.

**Impaler** · 04-06-2020, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by Leto

Good analysis. We have nothing against Impaler but the truth is South Asian ancestry is quite distinct and foreign in Europe, so unless it's only 1-2% on Gedmatch (especially the Eurogenes SA component which is at least 50% Caucasoid), it must be real. Either Indo-Pakistani or Gypsy.

Mortimer is at least 50% Romani (I believe his father was 1/8 too) and he scores 13% SA on K13. I can pull up his results if you're interested.

According to this logic my father should be half Gypsy, which is totally off. One of his parents should have been full Gypsy which is not real.

**~~Ion Basescul~~** · 04-06-2020, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by Leto

Don't you know Morti? His mother is a Serbian Gypsy, looks strongly Indid. His deceased father was allegedly Serbian with distant Gypsy and Russian.

I recognise the face, but he looks how I imagine Serbs tbh.

With the same model (Turks not removed)

Target: Mortimer
Distance: 161.3523% / 1.61352259 | ADC: 0.25x
52.4 Romani
37.0 Bulgarian_Eastern-Rhodopes
6.0 Serb_North-Macedonia
3.8 Turk_Kazanlik
0.8 Turk_Sliven-Alevi

**~~Ion Basescul~~** · 04-06-2020, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by Impaler

According to this logic my father should be half Gypsy, which is totally off. One of his parents should have been full Gypsy which is not real.

Why is it off? Half Gypsies don't look any different from Romanians usually and some can simply hide that fact in the family and not pass it on.
You should probably test at some point if that's an option.