Moldovan/Romanian GEDmatch Resuts

[Ion Basescul]

CM2678489 Moldavian
ZW2326107 Moldavian_G2a1
CZ7344575 moldavian_V02612
JA8090639 moldavian_V13693
DN1116786 moldavian_V28645
JR6490623 moldavian_V44175
GG5842270 moldavian_V46055
QY8192067 moldavian_V48759
JR2297171 moldavian_V49937

Thanks, I'll see if I can find more about them.


These are also on G25, but classified as outliers.

CZ7344575 moldavian_V02612
JA8090639 moldavian_V13693
DN1116786 moldavian_V28645
JR6490623 moldavian_V44175
GG5842270 moldavian_V46055

Moldovan_o:Moldovan_V02612,0.124067,0.123895,0.043 746,0.03553,0.040315,0.006693,0.013161,0.009692,-0.007976,-0.005285,-0.00406,-0.006594,0.012785,0.012248,-0.011536,-0.002519,0.005867,-0.002914,0.010559,0.005503,-0.003743,-0.00136,0.003944,0.006989,0
Moldovan_o:Moldovan_V13693,0.121791,0.122879,0.067 505,0.055233,0.033237,0.014781,0.00799,0.01223,-0.00859,-0.022415,-0.002436,-0.003447,0.017096,0.009221,-0.023208,0.011138,0.020601,-0.003801,0.002891,0.002751,-0.007237,-0.005564,0.01442,0.002289,0.000359
Moldovan_o:Moldovan_V28645,0.1161,0.108662,0.03808 9,0.0646,0.019388,0.025379,0.0047,0.008769,0.00552 2,-0.012574,-0.005196,-0.008992,0.010852,0.023809,-0.0095,-0.005967,-0.006258,0.000253,0.00176,-5e-04,0.002995,-0.004946,0.004437,-0.002289,-0.001916
Moldovan_o:Moldovan_V44175,0.130897,0.116786,0.071 653,0.068799,0.035391,0.022032,0.00752,0.010384,-0.0045,-0.028247,-0.000162,-0.008093,0.020367,0.020368,-0.012758,0.00358,0.002217,0.003167,0.003268,-0.006628,-0.003868,-0.001607,0.005546,0.002651,0.000958
Moldovan_o:Moldovan_V46055,0.12862,0.123895,0.0512 88,0.041021,0.02739,0.015339,0.005875,0.006,-0.002045,-0.007654,-0.003573,-0.002997,0.008176,0.01156,-0.015879,0.012066,0.025686,0.000127,0.002137,0.007 504,-0.011355,-0.004946,0.003328,-0.005302,-0.001796

[Leto]

no, they almost never pass as Italians. but it's also the clothing style maybe that makes Romanians so obviously non-Western. you rarely get the chance to guess a Romanian by the face because you usually instantly already guess him by the clothes/style

That sucks. I feel bad for Italia, was hoping that it wouldn't be changed profoundly by Rumano mass immigration. I thought they should be blending in with natives racially thus assimilating quickly. Romanian speakers can learn Italian or Spanish in 1-2 years easily.

[Leto]

Lot of Romanians I saw in Transylvania looked Italian or Greek to me. They were visibly more Mddish/southern Euro looking than people in Croatia taken as a whole.
Similar stature too (quite short and thin). But, there was minority of types that would look very off in Italy, those with Russian/Baltid or Tatar like look.

Well, they're not supposed to look like us considering their genetics. They're like half Russian half Ashkenazi on Gedmatch.

[Nurzat]

That sucks. I feel bad for Italia, was hoping that it wouldn't be changed profoundly by Rumano mass immigration. I thought they should be blending in with natives racially thus assimilating quickly. Romanian speakers can learn Italian or Spanish in 1-2 years easily.

but many Romanians assimilate greatly now. I have as reference the times I went to Italy for summer, over 10 years ago. then Romanians were only cheap workforce, now they've infiltrated also some office or institution jobs (nurses, even some doctors, corporate workers etc). but these are usually the kids of the initial immigrants. usually they came to Italy during late childhood so they are still fully Romanian as well (native speakers and can totally understand culture)

[Leto]

but many Romanians assimilate greatly now. I have as reference the times I went to Italy for summer, over 10 years ago. then Romanians were only cheap workforce, now they've infiltrated also some office or institution jobs (nurses, even some doctors, corporate workers etc). but these are usually the kids of the initial immigrants. usually they came to Italy during late childhood so they are still fully Romanian as well (native speakers and can totally understand culture)

Well, if Tziganes are overrepresented among them, I can fully understand why they don't pass as Italians.

[Aspirin]

Average K13 for Moldavians from Republic based on these 15 samples.

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 28,82
2 North_Atlantic 23.90
3 West_Med 16,52
4 East_Med 14.90
5 West_Asian 10.09
6 Red_Sea 1,80
7 Siberian 1.47
8 Amerindian 0.68
9 South_Asian 0.53
10 East_Asian 0.57
11 Sub-Saharan 0.10
12 NE_African 0,14
13 Oceanian 0.41

[Nurzat]

Well, if Tziganes are overrepresented among them, I can fully understand why they don't pass as Italians.

I'm not counting the Gypsies. they follow a totally different path in the West. also they're very mobile and will be where they can get money faster easier, now a lot of them are in UK or Germany. Italy doesn't get a relevant share of Gypsies from Romania, they used to and anyway those were living in nomad camps, totally different path in Italy than usual Romanians, no matter how low class some of these Romanians were

[Leto]

I can tell he is South Slav from a plane. Romanians just look different from us. You have to remember we descend from a close knit tribe from early Middle Ages with same ydna bottlenecks. This bottleneck effect can be seen in Bosnia specifically

A few people here said Bosniaks look distinctly Muslim even though they're autosomally almsot the same as their Christian neighbors.

This guy for ex
https://i.redd.it/m1f50ugpf3p41.jpg

[Ion Basescul]

ZW2326107 Moldavian_G2a1

I found a new kit through this one. Close distance and he is most likely from R. Moldova. However, I can't trace the guy exactly, but according to the forename+surname and Facebook, all 4 potential candidates are from R. Moldova.
One was born in Floresti and the rest in Chisinau (2 of them live abroad).
I emailed the guy just in case. Hopefully he'll answer.

North_Atlantic 22.13 Pct
Baltic 23.89 Pct
West_Med 18.68 Pct
West_Asian 16.35 Pct
East_Med 12.57 Pct
Red_Sea 1.83 Pct
South_Asian 1.01 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 2.83 Pct
Amerindian 0.58 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.13 Pct

[Ion Basescul]

CZ7344575 moldavian_V02612

This guy is weird, because he has a 85cM relative, meaning a 3rd cousin, with perfect Engllish/Irish results.
That's a lot, because for example, the closest match that I have is a guy from Cahul on MyHeritage (surname Puls), and even then the shared segments are only 44cM. For my mom it's 63cM with the same person. My dad matches another person as his number one, a certain Cogilnicean from R. Moldova (with other surnames Cociug, Golban Gorgos) at 83cM. Unfortunately he doesn't have a family tree, so I don't know the district.

But the point that I'm trying to make is that 85cM is a lot, so the ancestors of this guy were recently mixed with some kind of Anglo.



# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 49.83
2 Baltic 22.25
3 West_Med 13.87
4 East_Med 6.37
5 Red_Sea 2.68
6 West_Asian 2.56
7 Amerindian 1.22
8 Sub-Saharan 0.74
9 Oceanian 0.38
10 Northeast_African 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southeast_English 3.62
2 Southwest_English 4.9
3 Orcadian 5.42
4 South_Dutch 6.16
5 West_Scottish 6.22
6 North_Dutch 6.39
7 Irish 6.45
8 Danish 6.87
9 West_German 7.5
10 North_German 7.79
11 Norwegian 8.62
12 French 10.06
13 Swedish 10.47
14 Austrian 13.72
15 East_German 14.51
16 North_Swedish 15.68
17 Spanish_Cataluna 16.94
18 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 17.82
19 Spanish_Galicia 18.22
20 Hungarian 18.24

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 96.7% Southeast_English + 3.3% Saudi @ 2.85
2 95.6% Southeast_English + 4.4% Algerian @ 2.86
3 96.8% Southeast_English + 3.2% Yemenite_Jewish @ 2.88
4 95.8% Southeast_English + 4.2% Moroccan @ 2.89
5 95.7% Southeast_English + 4.3% Mozabite_Berber @ 2.89
6 95.8% Southeast_English + 4.2% Tunisian @ 2.9
7 96.6% Southeast_English + 3.4% Egyptian @ 3.01
8 96.9% Southeast_English + 3.1% Bedouin @ 3.11
9 91.2% Southeast_English + 8.8% Portuguese @ 3.17
10 91.1% Southeast_English + 8.9% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.17
11 90.9% Southeast_English + 9.1% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.17
12 97.7% Southeast_English + 2.3% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 3.19
13 92.1% Southeast_English + 7.9% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.19
14 97.8% Southeast_English + 2.2% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 3.19
15 94.7% Southwest_English + 5.3% Yemenite_Jewish @ 3.2
16 91.9% Southeast_English + 8.1% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.2
17 96.7% Southeast_English + 3.3% Libyan_Jewish @ 3.21
18 97.2% Southeast_English + 2.8% Palestinian @ 3.21
19 85.1% Southeast_English + 14.9% French @ 3.21
20 96.7% Southeast_English + 3.3% Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.22