Moldovan/Romanian GEDmatch Resuts

**~~Ion Basescul~~** · 04-08-2020, 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by Est.1992

Distance to: Moldova_average

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Distance to: Moldova_North

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Distance to: Moldova_Centre

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Distance to: Moldova_South

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Distance to: Moldova_Romanian/Moldovan+Ukrainian_Mixes

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Basically all the South Slavic flavour in one country

**Jana** · 04-08-2020, 09:50 PM

Distance to: Romania_Moldavia_average

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Distance to: Romania_Moldavia_North

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Distance to: Romania_Moldavia_South

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**Pribislav** · 04-08-2020, 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

I don't, how is he any different from some full Serbs? Serbia has a lot of phenotypes, just like any other country.

I don't know if Leto's ever been to Serbia, but I have, so I stand by my opinion.
There's no reason for me to have anything against Serbs. You guys are pretty much terra incognita for someone in my region.

Romanians look quite different than Serbs on average. I noticed that, and this is also opinion of some other people of various ethnicities.

Seya visited Belgrade in this January, and she said Serbs are significant lighter pigmented than Romanians, taller, more western looking and have longer faces than Romanians. This is her original post https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6568439

**Jana** · 04-08-2020, 09:54 PM

Vlach_Timok is probably very good proxy for eastern Serbs.

Distance to: Vlach_Timok

3.55463078 Romania_Moldavia_South
3.63024793 Serbian_Belgrade_academic
3.65253337 Bulgarian_Pleven
4.07992647 Bosniak_Sandzak
4.30111335 Montenegrin
4.64043101 Romania_Moldavia_average
4.90905286 Romanian_Transylvania
4.96501531 Macedonian
5.00285918 Romanian_Average
5.35421329 Serb_Croatia
5.37326436 Serbian_new
5.39497915 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
5.50182697 South_Croat_Morlach_Cluster
5.55172045 Bulgarian_Sofia
5.64087759 Moldova_average
5.65254810 Romanian_Oltenia
5.85214491 Macedonian_Northwest
5.88058671 Romanian_Muntenia
5.99829976 Romania_Moldavia_North
6.12396930 Bulgarian_Central
6.17001621 Pomak_Plovdiv
6.54398197 Bulgarian_Serres
6.71962797 Moldova_Centre
6.72614303 Bulgarian_Dupnitsa
6.73775927 Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora

**~~Ion Basescul~~** · 04-08-2020, 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by Pribislav

Romanians look quite different than Serbs on average. I noticed that, and this is also opinion of some other people of various ethnicity.

Seya visited Belgrade in this January, and she said Serbs are singificant lighter pigmented than Romanians, taller, more western looking and have longer faces than Romanians. This is her original post https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6568439

I don't see how this changes anything about my opinion. I saw you guys from the perspective of someone raised in R. Moldova, not Romania.
Kenyan Masai are also tall and Papuans are blond.

**Dick** · 04-08-2020, 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by Pribislav

Romanians look quite different than Serbs on average. I noticed that, and this is also opinion of some other people of various ethnicities.

Seya visited Belgrade in this January, and she said Serbs are singificant lighter pigmented than Romanians, taller, more western looking and have longer faces than Romanians. This is her original post https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6568439

A lot of men look like member Dusan

This is true.

**Jana** · 04-08-2020, 09:56 PM

Originally Posted by Dick

This is true.

He looks very Serb, but let's not delude yourself, average Serb had brown eyes and dark brown hair while he has blue eyes and light brown hair.
Serbs are dark people on average.

**Leto** · 04-08-2020, 10:03 PM

A descendant of Crimean Bulgarians who would have also lived in Bessarabia before settling in Crimea (full Bulgarian)

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 22.19
2 North_Atlantic 22.13
3 East_Med 19.22
4 West_Med 17.51
5 West_Asian 12.44
6 Red_Sea 4.36
7 Siberian 1.73
8 South_Asian 0.31
9 Oceanian 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 3.4
2 Romanian 3.99
3 Serbian 7.91
4 Greek_Thessaly 8.6
5 Moldavian 13.49
6 Tuscan 14.17
7 Italian_Abruzzo 14.4
8 Central_Greek 15.06
9 North_Italian 15.31
10 Hungarian 16.05
11 West_Sicilian 16.2
12 East_Sicilian 16.28
13 Croatian 16.56
14 Ashkenazi 18.2
15 Austrian 18.5
16 South_Italian 19.42
17 East_German 20.54
18 French 20.97
19 Portuguese 21.08
20 West_German 21.42

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.3% Romanian + 9.7% Syrian @ 1.98
2 91.2% Romanian + 8.8% Bedouin @ 1.99
3 60.3% Central_Greek + 39.7% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.03
4 54% South_Italian + 46% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.05
5 69.5% Central_Greek + 30.5% Estonian @ 2.05
6 68.9% Italian_Abruzzo + 31.1% Erzya @ 2.07
7 91.4% Romanian + 8.6% Samaritan @ 2.1
8 61.3% Central_Greek + 38.7% South_Polish @ 2.1
9 90.5% Romanian + 9.5% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.13
10 93.2% Romanian + 6.8% Saudi @ 2.18
11 91.8% Romanian + 8.2% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.19
12 90.1% Romanian + 9.9% Cyprian @ 2.21
13 91.3% Romanian + 8.7% Jordanian @ 2.21
14 91.5% Romanian + 8.5% Palestinian @ 2.21
15 64.6% Central_Greek + 35.4% Polish @ 2.22
16 51.7% Moldavian + 48.3% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.22
17 68.2% Italian_Abruzzo + 31.8% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.24
18 69.2% Central_Greek + 30.8% Finnish @ 2.24
19 52.8% Moldavian + 47.2% Central_Greek @ 2.25
20 52.4% Central_Greek + 47.6% Croatian @ 2.27

Half Crimean German, half Crimean Bulgarian

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 32.94
2 Baltic 22.12
3 West_Med 15.42
4 East_Med 14.63
5 West_Asian 7.32
6 Red_Sea 3.47
7 South_Asian 1.85
8 East_Asian 1.05
9 Oceanian 0.76
10 Siberian 0.32
11 Amerindian 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 7.36
2 Romanian 9.31
3 Austrian 9.86
4 Hungarian 10.06
5 West_German 10.68
6 French 10.97
7 Bulgarian 12.04
8 South_Dutch 12.16
9 East_German 12.35
10 Moldavian 13.43
11 North_Italian 13.81
12 Croatian 14.3
13 Portuguese 14.74
14 Spanish_Galicia 15.12
15 Spanish_Cataluna 15.5
16 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 16.33
17 Spanish_Extremadura 16.41
18 Tuscan 16.59
19 North_German 16.78
20 Spanish_Murcia 16.94

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50.1% North_Swedish + 49.9% West_Sicilian @ 2.11
2 76.5% Austrian + 23.5% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.35
3 54.5% Greek_Thessaly + 45.5% Swedish @ 2.37
4 76.7% Austrian + 23.3% Italian_Jewish @ 2.47
5 55.2% Greek_Thessaly + 44.8% Norwegian @ 2.51
6 50.6% North_German + 49.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.56
7 52.5% Greek_Thessaly + 47.5% Danish @ 2.57
8 78.7% Austrian + 21.3% Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.62
9 69.4% Austrian + 30.6% West_Sicilian @ 2.65
10 72.1% East_German + 27.9% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.67
11 52.8% Greek_Thessaly + 47.2% North_Dutch @ 2.68
12 54.1% Swedish + 45.9% East_Sicilian @ 2.74
13 78.9% Austrian + 21.1% Libyan_Jewish @ 2.75
14 55.3% North_Swedish + 44.7% South_Italian @ 2.78
15 60.9% Serbian + 39.1% French @ 2.8
16 77.2% Austrian + 22.8% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.84
17 51.5% Italian_Abruzzo + 48.5% North_Swedish @ 2.92
18 55.7% Swedish + 44.3% Ashkenazi @ 2.93
19 56.8% Tuscan + 43.2% North_Swedish @ 2.95
20 72.3% East_German + 27.7% Italian_Jewish @ 2.96

Half Crimean Bulgarian, half Ural Russian (Perm krai)

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 34.87
2 North_Atlantic 23.39
3 West_Med 10.66
4 West_Asian 10.04
5 East_Med 9.89
6 Siberian 5.13
7 South_Asian 2.01
8 Red_Sea 1.53
9 Amerindian 1.14
10 East_Asian 0.95
11 Oceanian 0.39

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 5.85
2 Croatian 7.33
3 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.46
4 Hungarian 9.89
5 Ukrainian 10.8
6 South_Polish 11
7 Serbian 11.24
8 Southwest_Russian 12.58
9 Ukrainian_Belgorod 12.91
10 Tatar 13.58
11 Romanian 13.81
12 Polish 14
13 East_German 14.57
14 Austrian 14.59
15 Kargopol_Russian 15
16 Russian_Smolensk 15.03
17 Estonian_Polish 15.55
18 Bulgarian 15.57
19 Erzya 16.13
20 Belorussian 16.25

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 66.8% Kargopol_Russian + 33.2% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.99
2 80% Moldavian + 20% Chuvash @ 2.29
3 71.3% Moldavian + 28.7% Tatar @ 2.3
4 83.7% Moldavian + 16.3% Mari @ 2.44
5 67.3% Kargopol_Russian + 32.7% Central_Greek @ 2.48
6 70.2% Kargopol_Russian + 29.8% South_Italian @ 2.54
7 65.2% Erzya + 34.8% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.58
8 66.1% Croatian + 33.9% Tatar @ 2.65
9 68.2% Kargopol_Russian + 31.8% East_Sicilian @ 2.81
10 54% Romanian + 46% Erzya @ 2.89
11 64.4% Erzya + 35.6% Tuscan @ 2.96
12 73% Kargopol_Russian + 27% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.98
13 61.8% Kargopol_Russian + 38.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.13
14 52.2% Romanian + 47.8% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.15
15 66.8% Estonian + 33.2% Turkish @ 3.16
16 68.3% Kargopol_Russian + 31.7% West_Sicilian @ 3.17
17 51% Kargopol_Russian + 49% Bulgarian @ 3.23
18 66.6% Erzya + 33.4% West_Sicilian @ 3.28
19 84.5% Croatian + 15.5% Afghan_Turkmen @ 3.35
20 66.6% Serbian + 33.4% Chuvash @ 3.4

**Pribislav** · 04-08-2020, 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by Est.1992

He looks very Serb, but let's not delude yourself, average Serb had brown eyes and dark brown hair while he has blue eyes and light brown hair.
Serbs are dark people on average.

Light brown/hazel eyes are more common among Serbs, and after that blue.

Most common hair color is dark brown among men, and medium brown among women. Women are lighter pigmented on average than men, but I suppose it's case in every European ethnicity.

Serbs are not swarthy or with olive skin color as classic southern Euro Meds. In skin color Serbs are quite closer to central Euros than to Greeks, South Italians and so on.

**vbnetkhio** · 04-08-2020, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

I have, but Kurd has an infamy for forging every kind of possible data just to be able to justify his theories.
Just ask Davidski's (the Eurogenes guy) opinion on him and his works.

23andme's algorithm is definitely like that. i don't really see how that would help Kurd's theories.

Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

If I were to see an average of even 40% Baltic with academic Serb samples, then I wouldn't have even started this debate in the first place.
I can fully accept that Dusan is a live Serb that I know with 33%. But how can I know that the rest of the Serbs that are used for the 30% average come in proportionate numbers from all over the country, as opposed to being solely from the North, or solely from the South, etc.?

Did you guys even ask yourselves this?
You can't just gather 50 samples from one place, assume that every Serb in Serbia is similar to people from that place and call it a day.

Serbian_new is the average of a dozen members of one Serbian forum. one of them is from Kosovo, one from Vojvodina, one from Croatia, etc. so they fit that criterium.
the Serbian average always turns out like that (similar to Serbian_new) on any group of Serbs larger than 10.

my Serbian+Montenegrin average from 100 samples:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...-Autosomal-DNA

Serbian average from the site www.macure.net from 69 samples, mostly Serbs from Croatia.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6579292

and also the Serbian new, Serb_Croatia and Serb_Bosnia from Vahaduo, and the Serb_academic_Belgrade i just made.

Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

I don't want to brag, but ideally you should do something like I did. Split your country in 3 halves by latitude (North, Centre, South) and make 3 averages.
Then calculate the average out of these 3 coordinates or weigh them at least appropriately, if for example more Serbs live in the North than South.

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the ideal is to split by historical and geographical borders, because they prevented gene flow. or to group genetically similar individuals together. splitting into halves by latitude might group genetically distant people together.