Moldovan/Romanian GEDmatch Resuts

[Ion Basescul]

Yep, you and Leto are right on this one.

I've seen the wiki says чеботарь — сапожник. Is чеботарь a Russian archaism? Would explain the whole thing.

That word is borderline non-existent. Both Leto and Aspirin would lie if they'd tell me that they've ever heard of it in Russian before today.
In R. Moldova, Cebotari is the 5th most popular surname and ciubota is the common word for heavy shoes.

And if the Ukrainian version is chobota, then why don't surnames starting with Chobot exist in Ukraine?
They only have surname versions with our chebot.

[Leto]

I literally knew a family with that surname. And the Wiki page has dozens of Russian Chebotaryovs.

[Ion Basescul]

I literally knew a family with that surname. And the Wiki page has dozens of Russian Chebotaryovs.

Sure, but you didn't know what it meant.

[ixulescu]

Even the Relatinization did not purge all those words.

No such thing ever happened in the Romanian language (neither "Relatinization" nor a "purge of slavic words").

Calling the modernization of the Romanian language Relatinization is a political stance of anti-Romanian fear-mongers (mostly Austro-Hungarian and Russian, because their states were rabidly anti-Romanian).

[Leto]

Sure, but you didn't know what it meant.

Even if I didn't, that doesn't mean no one else didn't either.

[Leto]

No such thing ever happened in the Romanian language (neither "Relatinization" nor a "purge of slavic words").

Calling the modernization of the Romanian language Relatinization is a political stance of anti-Romanian fear-mongers (mostly Austro-Hungarian and Russian, because their states were rabidly anti-Romanian).

I'm not anti Romanian. Many languages had vocabulary changes. Turkish for example. I didn't even say it was wrong. I actually think it was a good thing overall.

[ixulescu]

I'm not anti Romanian. Many languages had vocabulary changes. Turkish for example. I didn't even say it was wrong. I actually think it was a good thing overall.

I don't know your stance regarding Romania and Romanians, but you often sound dismissive.

Regardless of that, purposeful "Relatinization of Romanian" is not something that happened, even though there is a wikipedia article about it , written unsurprisingly by a Hungarian nationalist (borsoka).

Now, of course, Romanian went through a period of language reform in the 18 and 19th century, like all European languages.

[Aspirin]

I literally knew a family with that surname. And the Wiki page has dozens of Russian Chebotaryovs.

This surname is old here, and in Ukraine he clearly show his origins. The Russian version is common in Eastern Ukraine (Donbass).

Чеботар: Найчастіше - на Буковині
https://ridni.org/karta/%D0%A7%D0%B5...82%D0%B0%D1%80

Чеботарь: Найчастіше - на Буджаку
https://ridni.org/karta/%D0%A7%D0%B5...B0%D1%80%D1%8C

Чеботару: Найчастіше - на Буковині
https://ridni.org/karta/%D0%A7%D0%B5...B0%D1%80%D1%83

[Leto]

I don't know your stance regarding Romania and Romanians, but you often sound dismissive.

Regardless of that, purposeful "Relatinization of Romanian" is not something that happened, even though there is a wikipedia article about it , written unsurprisingly by a Hungarian nationalist (borsoka).

Now, of course, Romanian went through a period of language reform in the 18 and 19th century, like all European languages.

By Relatinization they mean borrowing words from Classical Latin and French. I guess that did happen. Romanian is not your typical Romance language because the Romanians are Eastern Orthodox and originally relied on Church Slavonic instead of Latin which was the case in Italy, France and Iberia.

[Leto]

This surname is old here, and in Ukraine he clearly show his origins. The Russian version is common in Eastern Ukraine (Donbass).

Чеботар: Найчастіше - на Буковині
https://ridni.org/karta/%D0%A7%D0%B5...82%D0%B0%D1%80

Чеботарь: Найчастіше - на Буджаку
https://ridni.org/karta/%D0%A7%D0%B5...B0%D1%80%D1%8C

Чеботару: Найчастіше - на Буковині
https://ridni.org/karta/%D0%A7%D0%B5...B0%D1%80%D1%83

I didn't dispute that. But you said yourself it is East Slavic.