Moldovan/Romanian GEDmatch Resuts

[Ion Basescul]

Even if I didn't, that doesn't mean no one else didn't either.

I'm certainly not questioning that those guys are Russians, or in the case of the person that I saw - Belarussian, but it might be possible that their distant paternal ancestor who introduced the surname was from Moldova.
I can't explain otherwise why there aren't any surnames with the root "Chobot" in Ukraine. Only "Chebot" varieties exist and obviously that also overflew into Russia.

[Aspirin]

I didn't dispute that. But you said yourself it is East Slavic.

Yes, the word Ciubota is Slavic in origin, but archaic, since interaction with East Slavs (Rusyns) was common in the past.

[Leto]

I'm certainly not questioning that those guys are Russians, or in the case of the person that I saw - Belarussian, but it might be possible that their distant paternal ancestor who introduced the surname was from Moldova.
I can't explain otherwise why there aren't any surnames with the root "Chobot" in Ukraine. Only "Chebot" varieties exist and obviously that also overflew into Russia.

I don't know the reason. I actually heard choboty (= big or clumsy shoes) when I was a kid.

[ixulescu]

By Relatinization they mean borrowing words from Classical Latin and French. I guess that did happen. Romanian is not your typical Romance language because the Romanians are Eastern Orthodox and originally relied on Church Slavonic instead of Latin which was the case in Italy, France and Iberia.

English borrowed massively from French and Latin during the same period, but nobody calls that process Latinization of English. Relatinization of Romanian is a political term, here's why.

There are only 2 ways of modernizing/enriching the vocabulary of a language: borrowing words from a similar language (for ease with declensions, particularly in synthetic languages, such as Romanian) or by creating new words from concatenating old words already in the language. Romanian and Romance languages in general prefer the first method. Germanic languages, or those being under the influence of German culture, use the second method.

Regardless of the enrichment method, Romanian would have increased the proportion of Latin origin words, because the amount of Slavic words in the common Romanian vocabulary was small (less than 10%). Slavic words were very domain specific - they were related to Church, medieval administration, and certain occupations, so they were of little help with modernization, and words had to be adopted from those in use in already modernized societies, such as the French. And so "Relatinization" is a moot point, the correct term should be "modernization".

Btw, only the Slavic words related to administration fell out of use, because the realities they were attached went away in modern times. Nonetheless, they are still in the vocabulary as archaisms.

[Ion Basescul]

English borrowed massively from French and Latin during the same period, but nobody calls that process Latinization of English. Relatinization of Romanian is a political term, here's why.

There are only 2 ways of modernizing/enriching the vocabulary of a language: borrowing words from a similar language (for ease with declensions, particularly in synthetic languages, such as Romanian) or by creating new words from concatenating old words already in the language. Romanian and Romance languages in general prefer the first method. Germanic languages, or those being under the influence of German culture, use the second method.

Regardless of the enrichment method, Romanian would have increased the proportion of Latin origin words, because the amount of Slavic words in the common Romanian vocabulary was small (less than 10%). Slavic words were very domain specific - they were related to Church, medieval administration, and certain occupations, so they were of little help with modernization, and words had to be adopted from those in use in already modernized societies, such as the French.

Btw, only the Slavic words related to administration fell out of use, because the realities they were attached went away in modern times. Nonetheless, they are still in the vocabulary as archaisms.

That's a normal process for a lot of languages. Russian also went through it and does so everyday, just like any other language.

[Aspirin]

I don't know the reason. I actually heard choboty (= big or clumsy shoes) when I was a kid.

Yes, have the same meaning here, and is a very used word till today. In Romania the surname Ciubotaru is common only in Moldavian region, which shows old East Slavic origins.

https://www.hartanumeromanesti.eu/en...otaru&s=Search

[Leto]

English borrowed massively from French and Latin during the same period, but nobody calls that process Latinization of English. Relatinization of Romanian is a political term, here's why.

There are only 2 ways of modernizing/enriching the vocabulary of a language: borrowing words from a similar language (for ease with declensions, particularly in synthetic languages, such as Romanian) or by creating new words from concatenating old words already in the language. Romanian and Romance languages in general prefer the first method. Germanic languages, or those being under the influence of German culture, use the second method.

Regardless of the enrichment method, Romanian would have increased the proportion of Latin origin words, because the amount of Slavic words in the common Romanian vocabulary was small (less than 10%). Slavic words were very domain specific - they were related to Church, medieval administration, and certain occupations, so they were of little help with modernization, and words had to be adopted from those in use in already modernized societies, such as the French.

Btw, only the Slavic words related to administration fell out of use, because the realities they were attached went away in modern times. Nonetheless, they are still in the vocabulary as archaisms.

Okay.
Even though I'm no expert in Romanian or even Romance by any means (I know only Russian, English and German plus bits of other languages and general knowledge from studying linguistics), I think you would agree that Chisinau speech is significantly more Slavicized than that of Bucharest. You need to target those folks first, they're actually corrupting the language and need Relatinization

[Ion Basescul]

Yes, have the same meaning here, and is a very used word till today. In Romania the surname Ciubotaru is common only in Moldavian region, which shows old East Slavic origins.

https://www.hartanumeromanesti.eu/en...otaru&s=Search

This is the archaic version of Ciubotaru most likely.
https://www.hartanumeromanesti.eu/en...OTARU&s=Search

[Ion Basescul]

Okay.
Even though I'm no expert in Romanian or even Romance by any means (I know only Russian, English and German plus bits of other languages and general knowledge from studying linguistics), I think you would agree that Chisinau speech is significantly more Slavicized than that of Bucharest. You need to target those folks first, they're actually corrupting the language and need Relatinization

There's nothing wrong with that. Our slang in Chisinau has Russian and English flavours. That in Bucharest is not pure by any means. They have Romani and English flavours.

[Aspirin]

This is the archaic version of Ciubotaru most likely.
https://www.hartanumeromanesti.eu/en...OTARU&s=Search

Still, even this version is common in Moldavian region. For some reason some slavic words who are used here are very archaic and today are not used by some Slavs, or not used at all. Such a simple word like "Veverița" (Веверица), only recent I discovered what is of Slavic origin.