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    Quote Originally Posted by ixulescu View Post
    Listen, I have nothing against RM being a separate country, as long as it's not a Russian domain and Moldovan history is told without distorting the history of Romania and Romanians.
    Are you Russophobic?
    Why would you even care if you live in America?
    I've talked to Aspirin, he's neither pro nor anti-Russian. Believe me, you don't have be either for or against a country in most cases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    Are you Russophobic?
    Why would you even care if you live in America?
    I've talked to Aspirin, he's neither pro nor anti-Russian. Believe me, you don't have be either for or against a country in most cases.
    I'm both Russophobic and Russophilic

    I like Russians but I dislike Russia's external policies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ixulescu View Post
    Listen, I have nothing against RM being a separate country, as long as it's not a Russian domain and Moldovan history is told without distorting the history of Romania and Romanians.
    Just don't violate Moldavian history with your interpretations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aspirin View Post
    Just don't violate Moldavian history with your interpretations.
    Moldovans were Romanians until 1812. Beside Moldovan they used to call themselves Romanian or Wallachian.

    If you can't accept this basic fact then fuck off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ixulescu View Post
    Moldovans were Romanians until 1812. Beside Moldovan they used to call themselves Romanian or Wallachian.

    If you can't accept this basic fact then fuck off.
    Nobody called herself Wallachian here, or even Romanian, totally alien words for a local peasant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aspirin View Post
    Nobody called herself Wallachian here, or even Romanian, totally alien words for a local peasant.
    Are you dumb? Wallachian is an exonym. Everyone (outside Moldova and Wallachia) called Moldovans Wallachians. Even the founders of Moldova were called Wallachians.

    Moldovans used both Moldovan and Romanian to refer to themselves, there are countless accounts for either one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ixulescu View Post
    Are you dumb? Wallachian is an exonym. Everyone (outside Moldova and Wallachia) called Moldovans Wallachians. Even the founders of Moldova were called Wallachians.

    Moldovans used both Moldovan and Romanian to refer to themselves, there are countless accounts for either one.
    Why Moldavians don't call themselves Romanians?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aspirin View Post
    Why Moldavians don't call themselves Romanians?
    A lot do, especially in Chisinau and even more think that Moldovan and Romanian are synonyms. Unfortunately the census doesn't do the latter justice.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ixulescu View Post
    Oh yeah?

    The official seal of Petru Rares, a 16th century Moldovan ruler, reads like this "Печать ио Романа воевода Земле Молдавской" meaning "the seal of the Romanian Voivode of the Moldovan Country". Did he time travel to 19th century? And was he calling himself a serf?? you're desperately trying to distort the historical truth just prop your worthless ideology.
    ha ha ha. Seal of Petru Rares? "Peceatī io Romana voevoda Zemle Moldavscoi" Russian for "Seal of io Roman, voivode of the Moldavian Land". Roman was the fourth ruler of Moldavia, the grandson of the great Bogdan, the father of the Moldavian state. Roman was originally a greek name, but later it was used almost exclusively by the ortodox slavs.

    No it wasn't. The name "Moldova" also had a mostly internal use. Ottomans, who at that time were the suzerains of Moldova, used to call it Boğdan, or even funnier Kuēuk-Eflak, meaning Little Wallachia. Poles, who were also sometimes suzerains in Moldova would call Moldovan rulers Wallachian princes. Polish medieval chronicler Leonard Goreck refers to Ioan Voda cel Cumplit, a Moldovan ruler, "Palatini Valachiae" meaning Wallachian Prince, and would often call various Moldovan personalities as Wallachian, which they obviously were.
    You missed the point, Moldavians called Moldova - Moldova (sometimes with the latinized form Moldavia), while valahians called their supposed country as Ungrovlahia, Tara Munteneasca, Valahia and Tara Rumaneasca. That's four names. Also moldavians used Moldova as the name of the country even when they were writing in other languages while valahians were calling on occasions their country Transalpina when writing in latin, for example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ixulescu View Post
    Moldovans were Romanians until 1812. Beside Moldovan they used to call themselves Romanian or Wallachian.

    If you can't accept this basic fact then fuck off.
    Nobody with more than a brain cell will accept blatant lies.

    The story of how some of the moldavians became romanians in a nut shell:

    Istoria Țării Rumānești dintru īnceput (1716) by Constantin Cantacuzino

    Deci, care iaste bine și direaptă, pe ia stă așa nemișcată, iar care greșită și smintită iaste, trebuie cei ce mai bine vor ști, de acel lucru să īndreptéze și să direagă. Īnsă de către amiazăzi Dachia să hotăraște cu Dunărea, și de cătră apus, zice Filip, cu apa ce să chiamă Patisul, īntru care hotară, cuprindu-să astăzi, zice, partea a Țării Ungurești, mai sus zisa și Ardealul și Valahia (adecăte țara aceasta) și Moldova. Īnsă vlahii, acești gheografi și mai toți istoricii cāți scriu de aceste țări, zicea și Moldovei și ceștiia; apoi o īmparte īn doao, una de sus; alta de jos, īi zic. Le zic și: mai mare și mai mică; cea de sus, adecăte și mai mare, Moldova; cea de jos și mai mică, țara această Muntenească numeind, cum īi zic mai mulți așa; că Rumānească numai lăcuitorii ei o chiamă, și doar unii den ardeleni ăiī rumāni, pentru că și aceia și ceștea numai cānd să īntreabă, ce iaste? Ei răspund: rumāni; iar moldovénii să osebesc de să răspund: moldovani, săvai că și ei sunt de un neam și de un rod cu ceștea, cum mai nainte mai pre larg vom arăta cu mărturiile multora.

    Beside the funny fact that a valahian historian called his country with three names in the same paragraph, we find out that moldavians were not calling themselves rumani even in that era (1639-1716). A well known fact. Looking in the moldavian documents, the moldavians were always calling themselves moldovan, with the plural moldoveni, never rumani or even moldovean. Moldovean is a valahian word, never used by the moldavians, as the moldavians were speaking their own moldavian language and not the valahian one. That was till the valahians, with the help of the usual traitors and fools, manage to occupy the principality Moldavia and destroy the brains of the people there.

    So when did the moldavians, actually only some fools, became romanians? Not rumani, but the artificial 19 century invention romani.

    Well, it is the work of the so called pasoptisti that paved the destruction of the Principality of Moldavia. They did step by step what the unionists bastards are doing since the 1990s in Republic of Moldova with limited success as there is democracy nowadays, and the traitors have a hard time doing their accursed work. In a text published in 1852 we found out exactly what the pasoptisti did.

    Este o vorbă țărănească, ce seamănă a fi īn Moldova de cānd Papură-Vodă: "sireacu Ștefan vodă, unde-i să vadă?" Această vorbă mult m-a muncit cu gāndul, care n-am vreme să le spui toate, decāt unul. Īmi īnchipuiesc cāteodată că a ieșit din mormānt un strămoș de ai noștri, un vornic de Țara de Sus, un boier de Orhei, un hatman, un căpitan de tārg, sau măcar cel mai ascuns postelnicel din Adunarea țării, care a iscălit dezrobirea vecinilor la 1772, īn biserica Trei-Sfinților. Oare hatmanul acela ar putea să-și cunoască urmașii īn oamenii de astăzi?... Hainele, năravurile, pămāntul au luat prefacere... pānă și numele. Astăzi nu mai suntem fiii hatmanului Baltag sau ai căpitanului Dragomir, dară domnul de Baltag, domnul de Dragomir, domnul de Lozonschi. Cāt despre Ștefan vodă, īi mai ușoară treaba. Lozonscheștii, Dragomireștii s-ar mira, Ștefan vodă s-ar crede īn țară străină.

    Īntāi și-ntāi, de-ar mai putea veni un Ștefan vodă pe calul lui cel voinic de la Valea Albă, de la tārgul Băii, din codrii Bārladului, de la Dumbrava Roșie, sunt īncredințat că nu l-am īnțelege... vorba lui n-ar fi vorba noastră!... Văd parcă īn foiletonul Zimbrului imnul următor: "Erou ilustru, trompeta gloriei tale penetră animile bravilor romani de admirăciune grandioasă și indifinisabilă pentru meritul neinninvincinibilităciunei tale!..." Și alte cauze și mai frumoase, la care bietul Ștefan ar holba ochii lui cei īnfricoșați... tare mi-i teamă că īn ziua de pe urmă, cānd trāmbița cerească ne va chema la judecata cea mare, nu ne vom putea īnțelege cu strămoșii noștri, nici īn limbă, nici īn idee —Moldova s-a schimbat īn 16 ani (1835-1852) din talpă pānă īn vārv: limbă, haine, obiceiuri, pānă și numele... nu mai suntem moldoveni, ci romāni.


    Moldavians in Basarabia were lucky to escape the destruction. From an 1814 letter addressed to the russian czar, written in moldavian and signed by the great boyars, we find out exactly who was the nation inhabiting the land, what language they spoke and what language was used in the official documents (all the archives of Moldavia). For example, regarding the language.

    ”… Prin pontul al 19-le a acei īn scris vremelniceşti obrazovanii făcute de către D Admiral Ciceagov pentru īnchipuirea ocīrmuirii oblastului Basarabiei ce cuprinde, ca toate pricinile īntru această Eparhie să se caute şi să se puie īn lucrare īn limba rosienească şi moldovenească a pămīntului. Acest de pe urmă cuprinzătorul de milostivire priveleghiuri de a se căuta toate pricinile īn limba moldovenească a pămīntului, fie īndurarea ce īnaltă a Măririi voastre a se īntări spre a păzi pentru de-a purure, căci toate arhivele Moldaviei nu sīnt īntr-altă limbă decīt īn dreaptă limba moldovenească. Toate documenturile pentru moşii şi pentru feliuri de giudecăți şi īnvoiele sīnt alcătuite numai īn limba moldovenească. Tot norodul acestei oblasti nu are īnţelegere altei limbi decīt a patriei sale. Aşadar fiind, dacă pricinile se vor căuta īntr-altă limbă mulţi dintre noi putem pierde drepturile noastre, neputīnd bine a le descoperi īn limba necunoscută nouă. Mulţi pot cade şi īn feliuri de īnvinovăţiri, iscălind documenturi pe care nu le īnţelegem, şi multe din documenturile ce avem vor lua prefacere īn puterea cuvintelor, cīnd se vor tălmăci īntr-altă limbă.
    Adevărul acesta mai īnainte l-au cunoscut pătrunzătoarea īnţelepciune a iubirii voastre de oameni şi au dăruit şi megieşilor noştri şi altor noroade, care cu puterea nebiruitelor arme a pravoslaviei s-au supus Monarhicescului vostru scliiptru a se ocīrmiui īn limba Patriei lor. Cu asemine nemărginită milă ne rugăm să fim şi noi īmpărtăşiţi… ”

    Ilie Catargiul; spătar Ioan Başotă; Dimitrie Rīşcan; Constantin Şeicovici, maior; Iordachi Bucşenescu; loan Sturdza, spătar; Teodor Başotă, ban; Ştefan Rīşcan, comis; Toma Stamati, paharnic; Neculai Catargiul, paharnic; Petrache Catargiul, paharnic; Matei Rīşcan, stolnic; Vasile lamandi; Nicolai Doni, paharnic; Alexandru Panaiti, comis; Ştefănache Rali, căminar; Coste Jiccea; lancu Vasiliu; Manolache Negruţi; loan Strezescu; Toader Măcărescu, serdar; Simion Glavce, jicnicer; Pavli Măcărescu,serdar; Paveli Măcărescu, postelnic;Toma Paninopolo; Vasile Caţichi; Gheorghe Sala, vtor. vistiernic; gubernskii secretar loan Ganea; Constantin Budescu, armaş; Costache Başotă; Ştefan Teodorii, porucic; Teodosie, pitar; Alecul sīn Neculai Grecul; Dimitrie Sala; Căsian Suruceanu, pitar; Ioniţă Suruceanu; Niculai Dumbravă; Lupu Roset, medelnicer; Dimitrache Melega, vornic de poartă; Grigore Ursu; Enachi Izmană; Vasile Chirica, postelnicel; Pavel Chirica, postelnicel; Iordache Grec, postelnicel; Manolache Rusu; Stati Şendrea, căpitan; lordachi Alexandri, şatrar; Iordache Teodor, sulger; llie Botezatul, pitar; lsaia Lupu; loan lamandi,titulearnīi sovetnic; loan Sechiraş, Constandachi Sterpu; Neculai Rusu.
    1814 anul, iunie 5, īn Chişinău.”


    Checkmate!
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