Moldovan/Romanian GEDmatch Resuts

[ixulescu]

I still have nothing against him, don't consider him a troll as he considers me and I am not anti-Romanian in the slightest. it's just this topic that southern Romanians don't seem to understand - it comes from them thinking they are l'ombelico del mondo when it comes to regional history.

I have no such illusions. In medieval times Wallachia was the weakest state of the Romanian principalities. I said this 1000 times, you read it for certain, but like always you're willfully misrepresenting what I say

[Leto]

Calm down now.

I can certainly see the parallels between Romania-Moldova case and Russia-Ukraine, but for one Ukraine has it's own language and culture and it's 100 years older than Bessarabia (RM), as a Russian gubernia (I don't remember the exact years, don't quote me on this).

So, even though I suspect Ukrainians fake a lot of their history as well (for certain Ukraine started as part of Russia), you should support the will of the people to live in a independent state (like I do for Moldova).

I do support it, just without the meaningless hatred against Russia and fake history. In fact as a half Belorussian I am also against the integration of Belarus into Putin's Russia. I'm not in favor of his regime by any means. But that's another topic.

[Leto]

Language is a political issue. You can call many dialects separate languages, it really depends on the perspective. In Italy all Italians are considered part of one nation even though there are vast linguistic (and genetic) differences between various parts of Italy. Maybe not today due to extensive intermixing and homogenization but surely until recently. So the difference between a separate ethnic group and simply a regional culture/identity can be very blurry.

[ixulescu]

Romanian history is on this level:

That seal is actually of Petru I Musat, a Moldovan ruler from 14th century. That's my mistake.

Regardless, it shows exactly the same thing, that a Moldovan ruler was calling himself Romanian, and this was happening not in the 19th century but in the 14 century.

[Mik20]

That seal is actually of Petru I Musat, a Moldovan ruler from 14th century. That's my mistake.

Regardless, it shows exactly the same thing, that a Moldovan ruler was calling himself Romanian, and this was happening not in the 19th century but in the 14 century.

No, that was the seal of Roman I of Moldavia. Anyway, guess who else are calling themselves Romanian? Roman Abramovich, Roman Polanski and many other Romanians like them.

[ixulescu]

No, that was the seal of Roman I of Moldavia. Anyway, guess who else are calling themselves Romanian? Roman Abramovich, Roman Polanski and many other Romanians like them.

On a second look, that is possible. Roman I was the successor of Petru I Musat, and it's not very clear when the switch happened from one ruler to another. So it is possible that the seal belongs to Roman I, in which case I was wrong.

[Mik20]

BTW that seal is from the oldest moldavian document preserved to this day, document of great simbolic, and not only simbolic, value for moldavians and Moldavia. To be found now in Bucharest as that the walachian thieves took it after 1859 to put it in their museums and archives. Fate shared by countless priceless moldavian documents and artefacts.

This is the document:



With the text, translated from Sclavonic:

„† Marele singur stăpânitor, din mila lui Dumnezeu domn, Io Roman voievod, stăpânind Țara Moldovei de la munte până la mare. Am dat, cu fiii mei, Olecsandro și Bogdan, slugii noastre Ivanăș (Ionaș) Viteazul, pentru credincioasa lui slujbă, 3 sate pe Siret, uric, lui, cu tot venitul, în veac, și copiilor lui, și nepoților lui, și strănepoților lui, și răstrănepoților lui, cu tot dreptul. Numele satelor: Ciorsaceuți și Vladimirăuți și Bucurăuți.

Iar hotarul lor să fie din jos de Marâșeuți, valul care este de-a curmezișul Câmpului, până la Siret, apoi pe cealaltă parte a Siretului, la capătul de jos al poienii, o movilă, și de acolo, drept peste luncă, la fântână, o movilă, și de acolo drept la bucovină, o movilă, și de acolo, pe marginea bucovinei, în sus, până la hotarul lui Șerb(ăn)escu, la tei, o movilă, de acolo către topliță, acolo o movilă, și de acolo către Siret, movila de la mijloc, și de acolo, (peste) Siret, în sus, până la bucovina cea mare, pe unde iese drumul de la Dobrinăuți, la capătul Câmpului, și de acolo, pe marginea bucovinei, pe deal la vale, până la val. Acesta îi este hotarul întregului ocol.

Iar la aceasta este credința mea și credința fiilor mei, credința jupanului Iuga al lui Giurgiu, credința jupanului Stețco și cu frații lui, credința lui Bratul Netedul, credința lui Stanislav, credința panului Drăgoi, credința lui Andriaș și a panului Giurgiu, credința panului Draguș viteazul, credința lui Stravici, credința panului Vlad, a panului Ghidea, a panului Grozea, credința panului Costea, credința lui Oriș, credința tuturor boierilor moldoveni.

Iar pentru tăria acesteia și pentru pomenire, am poruncit să se atârne pecetea noastră cea mare, ca să nu fie clintită aceasta niciodată, în veac.

S-a scris cartea în anul 6900 [1392] deplin, luna martie, în 30 zile, în cetatea noastră, a lui Roman voievod.”

[Ion Basescul]

Language is a political issue. You can call many dialects separate languages, it really depends on the perspective. In Italy all Italians are considered part of one nation even though there are vast linguistic (and genetic) differences between various parts of Italy. Maybe not today due to extensive intermixing and homogenization but surely until recently. So the difference between a separate ethnic group and simply a regional culture/identity can be very blurry.

The name of the language is pretty much a non-issue in 2020. All of our intelligentsia recognise it as Romanian, and so do the plurality of people in the capital.
It's the ethnic identity were more people are yet to wake up (7% identified as Romanian in 2014, as opposed to 2.3% in 2004; that's a 200% increase, which means that we should be at least 21% at the next census in 4 years), but there's no need to rush. That will come with time.

[ixulescu]

The name of the language is pretty much a non-issue in 2020. All of our intelligentsia recognise it as Romanian, and so do the plurality of people in the capital.
It's the ethnic identity were more people are yet to wake up (7% identified as Romanian in 2014, as opposed to 2.3% in 2004; that's a 200% increase, which means that we should be at least 21% at the next census in 4 years), but there's no need to rush. That will come with time.

I would agree with you that there is no need to rush, and in fact rushing it only brings unnecessary conflicts.
The only problem is that the economic situation is pressing, and Moldova lacks the perspective of developing economically independently, unlike Ukraine for instance.

[Ion Basescul]

I would agree with you that there is no need to rush, and in fact rushing it only brings unnecessary conflicts.
The only problem is that the economic situation is pressing, and Moldova lacks the perspective of developing economically independently, unlike Ukraine for instance.

It has perspective in the right sectors, if the focus is appropriate. Traditional sectors like agriculture need innovation, investments and automation.
The most competitive sector and which brings the most added value is IT and most people who activate in this field are satisfied with their work conditions and wages.
Moldova as of late is placing itself as an outsourcing IT hub for businesses in Europe, US and Russia. For example the company that I work for is a subsidiary of the main branch in Lithuania, which in its turn contracts services in the UK.
My best friend works for a subsidiary in Chisinau of a parking company in the US. His job is entry level, but he can work from home 4/5 days and on top of that they are flex hours.
So this will become an ever growing industry, because if you want to make a fair living, then the conditions for the employees are way more attractive than anywhere else in the market.

We even have Crunchyroll here
https://www.crunchyroll.com/about/work/index.html

https://tv8.md/2020/02/04/foto-chisi...sectorului-it/
https://moldovaitpark.md/