Moldovan/Romanian GEDmatch Resuts

[Aspirin]

it's possible that the Neolithic Farmer/Mediterranean DNA of Moldovans is not brought by Vlachs but old remnant, because the region was heavily Mediterranean during neolithic - Trypillia/Cucuteni and Globular Amphora peoples in today's northeast Romania Moldova Ukraine and eastern Poland were almost pure Levantine/West Asian. this result below shows that Moldovans could just be a mix of Early Slavs and a local population that already had both Balto-Slavic-like genes (from Indo-Europeans who it's known populated Moldova too) and Mediterranean genes:

Target: Nurzat
Distance: 1.8555% / 0.01855460
53.4 RUS_Sunghir_MA
46.6 Scythian_MDA


this could mean if true that we didn't even get Vlach genes or too much of it - I suspect there is no Vlach widespread DNA East of river Siret, only the mountains are heavily Vlach

Southern genes here are mostly of Vlach origin, because outside of Moldova people start to have very northern results, I mean in Ukraine. And in the north this southern influence is gowing only via Carpathian mountains reaching Poland. Plus in Carpathians concetration of E-V13 is very high (16%), wich is totally anormal for Eastern Slavs. Plus the toponymy of Carpathians clearly show who brought this southern influence here.

[Ion Basescul]

Southern genes here are mostly of Vlach origin, because outside of Moldova people start to have very northern results, I mean in Ukraine. And in the north this southern influence is gowing only via Carpathian mountains reaching Poland. Plus in Carpathians concetration of E-V13 is very high (16%), wich is totally anormal for Eastern Slavs. Plus the toponymy of Carpathians clearly show who brought this southern influence here.

It is abnormal, because Eastern Slavs migrated from the Pripyat' marshes here.
E-V13 was recorded in these parts in the Iron Age. The sample from R. Moldova, scy197 in Glinoe, was an E-V13 from 600BC. Most likely a Getae.

Population	Region	Anatolia_N	CHG	WHG	EHG	Levant_N	Iran_N	East Asian	SSA	AASI	SUM
Scythian_Moldova_197_Getae 600BC	Europe_Southeast	65.8%	11.7%	1.7%	20.0%	0.0%	0.0%	0.8%	0.0%	0.0%	100.0%

[Ion Basescul]

[Nurzat]

where's the evidence they moved at all? genetically Romanians fit Romania and not Macedonia.

where's the historical evidence than the largest population in the Balkans moved north of Danube in 1200? there is none, because it never happened.

but it's obvious why you like to dream about such nonsense, because you think it legitimizes moldovenism.

I didn't say they came from south of the Danube only - see I said they lived from Thessaly up to Apuseni the entire mountain region. in Romania therefore they spread from the southwest BUT the language spread politically in the past centuries for the most, so we must separate DNA from language. as I've posted before, half of Moldova's territory 100 years ago (including Bucovina) were Csango, Szekler, Rusyn, Hutsul, Lipovan, Goral and German villages. the linguistic Romanianization is something very recent. and the DNA Vlachization East of Siret did not happen - people in this region had similar DNA even two thousand years ago (see Scythian MDA on Global25). some little Vlach in some may be found, with the bejinari movement out of Transylvania and in southern Moldova from southern Romanians (aka Vlach-speaking Bulgaro-Vlachs).

btw for Wallachia - do you know just how many hundreds of Wallachian villages were Bulgarian ethnic up to WW2, for example? but if we think of 19th century or before?

[ixulescu]

half of Moldova's territory 100 years ago (including Bucovina) were Csango, Szekler, Rusyn, Hutsul, Lipovan, Goral and German villages.

This is pure nonsense.

Here's the minority map 100 years ago. Note that even in the Eastern half of Moldova minorities didn't pass 25% (except in the South, which is not even part of RM these days anyways). In the Western half of Moldova minorities were less than 15% (and mostly Jews by the way). The rest of your post is pure fantasy, Romanians always had the great majority of the population (even if some of it was recently assimilated) in Wallachia and Moldova. Only Transylvania was more multiethnic, but even there Romanians were more than half.




In the past 300 years Romania always had a continuous stream of immigrants from the neighbors (Bulgarian, Serbs, Jews, Ukrainians, and even Russians), but with the exception of Jews, they quickly assimilated (in a couple of generations). They were not native anyways - and so they did the sensible thing and assimilated into the majority.

[Mik20]

The name of the language is pretty much a non-issue in 2020.

It is not an issue, the language of moldovans is moldavian. The issue is in Romania, though, and not in the so called Moldova region, that is undoubtedly speaking moldavian, but in Transylvania as their intelligentsia are saying the language spoken in Transylvania is moldavian. Even Stati on the cover of the moldavian-romanian dictionary showed that in Transylvania it is spoken the moldavian language. In fact only in some parts of Transylvania it is spoken and those parts happened to be those where the last name Moldovan abound, being the most frequent family name in those areas.

Now look what the romanian intelligentsia are saying at about 0:40



But is it true or not?

Well well, well, chica, chicior, copchil are moldavian words, so it is true, the language there is modavian with hungarian accent and romanian influences.

[ixulescu]

It is not an issue, the language of moldovans is moldavian. The issue is in Romania, though, and not in the so called Moldova region, that is undoubtedly speaking moldavian, but in Transylvania as their intelligentsia are saying the language spoken in Transylvania is moldavian. Even Stati on the cover of the moldavian-romanian dictionary showed that in Transylvania it is spoken the moldavian language. In fact only in some parts of Transylvania it is spoken and those parts happened to be those where the last name Moldovan abound, being the most frequent family name in those areas.

There is not such thing as the Moldovan language. If it was I wouldn't understand it. The language used in Moldovan media is 100% Romanian, but for the accent.


Moldovenism is a just a comical attempt by the former communists in Chisinau to remain in power. Of course the union with Romania would have removed these bandits from power, so they cling to Russia and this nonsensical ideology of moldovenism.

I can only assume that artsi/Mik20 and aspirin are tied somehow to the power system in Chisinau, cause it's hard to find dumber cheerleaders anywhere else.

[Mik20]

There is not such thing as the Moldovan language. If it was I wouldn't understand it. The language used in Moldovan media is 100% Romanian, but for the accent.

You are entitled to call your language as you want. The language used in media, both in Romania and unfortunately in Moldova too it is an artificial one, people don't use it in the everyday life.

Now, even so, Romanian language is a 19th century artificial creation, who took quite a bit of influence from moldavian language as the every day valachian language is extremely limited. According even to their intellectuals and linguists who wrote with pity about their poor language when compared to the moldavian one.



Now, how many languages the meteo girl from Moldova is speaking in the following video? Obviously not two. She is speaking russian. Then a sterile disgusting dead artificial language that in Romania is called romanian and used only in media, but in Moldova can be called moldovan media language unless they use wallachian words. She is also speaking a third language, off camera, the rich moldavian language, the language of Ion Creanga, full of style, flavors, sayings, puns.



Now, it is obviously the inferior Romanian language needs to go.

Guys like basescul that tries to promote in Moldova a vastly inferior culture and language are the laughing stock of moldovans. All guys like him have huge personal issues, inferiority complexes, losers or are simply very dumb.

[Ion Basescul]

It is not an issue,

Lol, it was Romanian in kindergarten, school and uni. I did my first 4 classes in primary school in a Russian school, and even there the language and literature class was called Romanian.

[Mik20]

Lol, it was Romanian in kindergarten, school and uni. I did my first 4 classes in primary school in a Russian school, and even there the language and literature class was called Romanian.

Unlike you, the normal people learn to speak from their parents. So, unless you are an idiot, you get both the language and how it is named from your parents. But we all know that you are one.
As I wrote, not an issue. Now, back to the topic!