South Slavic & neighbours gedmatch results - vol.2

[Konstantinos]

Btw i found really weird Macedonian gedmatch kit.
Drotleff (GEDmatch HZ2466853 - YFull T-Y10641) Georg Drotleff
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 56.1% North_Swedish + 43.9% Tuscan @ 3.86
2 67.2% Norwegian + 32.8% Ashkenazi @ 3.99
3 71.1% Swedish + 28.9% Italian_Jewish @ 4.02
4 67.6% Swedish + 32.4% Ashkenazi @ 4.04
5 59.2% Southeast_English + 40.8% Bulgarian @ 4.18
6 51.2% Serbian + 48.8% Southeast_English @ 4.23
7 54.8% Southeast_English + 45.2% Romanian @ 4.24
8 71.7% Swedish + 28.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.31
9 70.6% Danish + 29.4% Ashkenazi @ 4.36
10 51.2% North_Swedish + 48.8% North_Italian @ 4.42
11 69.6% West_German + 30.4% Serbian @ 4.44
12 64.7% Swedish + 35.3% West_Sicilian @ 4.44
13 58.9% Swedish + 41.1% Tuscan @ 4.44
14 70.1% North_Dutch + 29.9% Ashkenazi @ 4.49
15 60.4% Norwegian + 39.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.5
16 64% Danish + 36% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.52[/B]
17 73.7% North_German + 26.3% Ashkenazi @ 4.64
18 78.6% West_German + 21.4% Bulgarian @ 4.67
19 75.3% West_German + 24.7% Romanian @ 4.68
20 55.5% Orcadian + 44.5% Bulgarian @ 4.7

Half-half, mixed with NW Europe.

[Jana]

When Ottomans conquered most of present day Western Bosnia in 1527 and mostwestern part Cazinska Krajina in 1591 region was heavy depopulated. Croatians migrated to Kvarner, Gorski Kotar, western Hungary, Slovakia, NW Croatia and Burgenland. Ottomans brought new population from Herzegovina, East Bosnia, Raška and Montenegro, part of that settlers from 16th century converted on Islam (they were Orthodoxes and Serbs) and on this way are created Western Bosnia Muslims (later Bosniaks).

Yes, but not entirely. And that's visible in linguistics, muslims there were heavily ikavian even with čakavian pockets here and there.
There is never complete population replacement.

But yes, it was very significant indeed.
Bosniensis is good example, his paternal ancestry is from east Herzegovina.

[Konstantinos]

Nice, you can post Greeks here too, they are related people.

I'm in the process of collecting at the moment, it's a long process.

[Jana]

My Bosniak side is also not from NW Bosnia originally, but west Herzegovina. However, surnames of famales from that part of family are native to Vrbas region around Banja Luka.
So, my Bosniak side was mixed local with Ottoman era migrants, not fully one or another and I suppose that's the case with many Bosniaks there.

[JohnnyP]

29% average in total is my guess, but we will see with more samples.
For western Serbs 30-31%.

Southern ones and Montenegrins 26-27% probably.

From all these kits and results Macedonian average would be 21,50857142857143‬ from 35 Results.

[Pribislav]

Yes, but not entirely. And that's visible in linguistics, muslims there were heavily ikavian even with čakavian pockets here and there.
There is never complete population replacement.

But yes, it was very significant indeed.

There was no chakavian speakers in any corner of Bosnia and Herzegovina in the last 150 years since exist researches of linguists. Chakavians once lived only in most western part of Bosnia west of Sana river. They disappeared in Ottoman invasion in 16th century.
Neoshtokavian ikavian Muslim speakers in Cazinska Krajina are most likely descendants of settlers from central Bosnia in 16th and 17th century.

[CommonSense]

My mother's friend is well-known lawyer from Leskovac, fully native to that region.
I told her to talk him into taking DNA test, knowing how undersampled that area is.

If he will, I'll post his results.

We actually had the results of one man with full ancestry from there, his surname is Ljubenović. Pribislav told me he was active on the discussions related to genetics on the krstarica forum but got chased away (like many others) by some deranged far-right psycho troll.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post5816442


Apart from that, we have two other people who are paternally from southern Serbia, but their mothers were born in another part of the country.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post5799991

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6573225

[Jana]

From all these kits and results Macedonian average would be 21,50857142857143‬ from 35 Results.

But is it balanced mix of all regions or some region dominating? 21% is quite low.
Because I expect a cline between south Serbia and north Macedonia, not abrupt break, it doesn't make sense from historical or linguistic point of view.

You know better ofcopurse.

[Pribislav]

We actually had the results of one man with full ancestry from there, his surname is Ljubenović. Pribislav told me he was active on the discussions related to genetics on the krstarica forum but got chased away (like many others) by some deranged far-right psycho troll.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post5816442


Apart from that, we have two other people who are paternally from southern Serbia, but their mothers were born in another part of the country.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post5799991

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6573225

He is still active on Krstarica forum, but not on thread about genetic. His last activity was in the last Thursday. I spoke with him few times on pm, he carry very exotic y dna for a Serb E-M81.

[JohnnyP]

But is it balanced mix of all regions or dome regions dominating? 21% is quite low.
Because I expect a cline between south Serbia and north Macedonia, not abrupt break, it doesn't make sense from historical or linguistic point of view.

So from these kits thats average, i already said these kits are from all regions , Nortwest kits is 24 Baltic , but again you posted Nortwest with 22 Baltic.It seems Central Macedonia have lowest Baltic 3 kits with 18 Baltic, that Stip result with 25 Baltic have also 25 East Med and 19.65 West Med and very low NAtlantic 16.So i would say highest peak of Baltic would be Nortwest and Norteast , i think there is two with 23 and 24 Baltic from Northest so again is not high.I didnt see yet full Macedonian kit with more than 25 Baltic.

Why doesnt make sense from historical and linguistic point of view?
Edit : The Macedonians were occupied and not exterminated through history i dont get your point.