Dodecad k12b south, west and central asian results

[Kyp]

Most "Eastern Turks" are literally like Kurds with some Central Asian. Or to be more precise they look straight up like Azeris genetically. Some of them appear to be Armenian mixed though. Despite how close Armenians, Azeris and Kurds are. There seems to be one significant difference in the real Armenian DNA. Armenians tend to have a stronger Levant and Central-West Anatolian signature. While the main difference between Azeris and Kurds seems to be stronger lvls of East Eurasian admixture in the former, if you ignore the slight differences in CHG lvls due to regional differences.

Disagree.
Can't you see the average you just quoted? Eastern Turks are not close to Kurds. Azerbaijanis are close to Kurds yes. However Azerbaijanis are not close to Armenians while Eastern Turks are.
A Turkish+Kurdish mix will be close to Azerbaijanis yes. A Turkish+Armenian mix will be close to Eastern Turks.

Kurds with a bit of Central Asian and Anatolian are more like Zaza/Alevi Kurds.

[Leto]

Disagree.
Can't you see the average you just quoted? Eastern Turks are not close to Kurds. Azerbaijanis are close to Kurds yes. However Azerbaijanis are not close to Armenians while Eastern Turks are.
A Turkish+Kurdish mix will be close to Azerbaijanis yes. A Turkish+Armenian mix will be close to Eastern Turks.

Kurds with a bit of Central Asian and Anatolian are more like Zaza/Alevi Kurds.

Is Demhat close to Eastern Turkey?
Let's repost him here

Gedrosia 26.34 Pct
Siberian 0.58 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.67 Pct
Atlantic_Med 8.66 Pct
North_European 6.11 Pct
South_Asian 1.57 Pct
East_African 0.39 Pct
Southwest_Asian 14.47 Pct
East_Asian 0.09 Pct
Caucasus 40.86 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.26 Pct

Distance to: Demhat
3.22420533 Zaza
3.24319287 Kurd_Kurmanji
3.45887265 Kurds
4.07845559 Kurd
4.35341245 Talysh_Azerbaijan
4.53287988 Kurd_Sorani
4.63850191 Lur_Iran
5.17511353 Iranian
5.69068537 Turkmen_Iraq
6.79525570 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.60524819 Iranians
8.29860229 Azerbaijani
8.42081944 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.50242318 Iranian_Fars
8.84035067 Uzbekistan_Jews
9.88672848 Iran_Mazandaran
10.29994660 Turk_Southeast
10.35815138 Turk_East
11.27882973 Iran_Central_East
11.44012675 Armenian_East

Target: Demhat
Distance: 1.7262% / 1.72624659 | ADC: 1x
49.4 Kurd_Kurmanji
44.6 Kurds
6.0 Zaza

Target: Demhat
Distance: 1.5507% / 1.55074968 | ADC: 0.5x
49.4 Kurds
45.6 Kurd_Kurmanji
3.2 Zaza
1.2 Lur_Iran
0.4 Sardinian
0.2 Turkmen_Iraq

Target: Demhat
Distance: 0.7699% / 0.76994795 | ADC: 0.25x
61.4 Kurds
11.2 Zaza
8.4 Kurd_Sorani
7.4 Lur_Iran
5.2 Kurd_Kurmanji
4.2 Turkmen_Iraq
2.2 Sardinian

Reiner Arier

[harutsafaryan07]

@Demhat some Turkey Kurds

Distance to:Kurd_Centrl
4.23681484Kurd_Kurmanji
4.24915286Kurd_Sorani
5.05139585Azerbaijani_Iran
5.36660973Iranian_Fars
5.83876699Turkmen_Iraq
5.99432231Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.14568141Zaza
6.18007282Azerbaijani
6.25554154Lur_Iran
6.67526029Kurd
6.88339306Iranian
7.56585091Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.66127274Kurds
7.72560030Iran_Central_East
7.74203462Iranians
8.75595797Turk_Southeast
9.15795283Iran_Khorasan
9.99188170Iran_Mazandaran
11.69104358Azerbaijani_Dagestan
12.06561644Uzbekistan_Jews
12.22644266Turk_Central_East
12.35071658Turk_East
12.53693743Turk_South
13.75269792Turk_Anatolia
13.76396019Turk_Central_West

Distance to:Kurd_Cental_West
3.14617228Kurd_Kurmanji
3.70067561Zaza
5.00105989Azerbaijani_Iran
5.19160861Turkmen_Iraq
5.61190698Kurd_Sorani
5.80998279Azerbaijani
5.85316154Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.10341708Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.08112985Turk_Southeast
7.42699132Lur_Iran
7.52477907Kurds
7.69391318Kurd
8.05396176Iranian
8.42506973Turk_East
9.55313038Uzbekistan_Jews
9.59179337Turk_Central_East
9.62562725Iranian_Fars
10.22957966Iranians
10.75174404Armenian_East
11.25085775Turk_South
11.77825114Turk_Central_West
11.84991561Iran_Central_East
11.88114473Turk_Central_Black_Sea
11.96754361Turk_Anatolia
12.67999211Armenian_West

Distance to:Kurd_Ankara
3.19202130Talysh_Azerbaijan
3.84533484Iranian
4.08300135Kurd_Kurmanji
4.54478822Lur_Iran
4.77168733Kurd_Sorani
5.01703099Kurd
5.06794830Zaza
5.71957166Azerbaijani_Iran
5.76164907Kurds
6.15306428Iranian_Fars
7.04049714Iranians
7.35639178Turkmen_Iraq
7.53717454Iran_Mazandaran
7.56621438Azerbaijani
7.86248052Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.94869801Iran_Central_East
10.25012195Iran_Khorasan
10.38908562Turk_Southeast
11.05615666Uzbekistan_Jews
11.11600648Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.57471814Turk_East
13.23249032Turk_Central_East
13.71268391Armenian_East
13.94832965Turk_South
14.79337352Turk_Central_Black_Sea

As You see Kurds closer to Iranians than to Armenians or To East Turks generally

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[Kyp]

Is Demhat close to Eastern Turkey?
Let's repost him here

Gedrosia 26.34 Pct
Siberian 0.58 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.67 Pct
Atlantic_Med 8.66 Pct
North_European 6.11 Pct
South_Asian 1.57 Pct
East_African 0.39 Pct
Southwest_Asian 14.47 Pct
East_Asian 0.09 Pct
Caucasus 40.86 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.26 Pct

Distance to: Demhat
3.22420533 Zaza
3.24319287 Kurd_Kurmanji
3.45887265 Kurds
4.07845559 Kurd
4.35341245 Talysh_Azerbaijan
4.53287988 Kurd_Sorani
4.63850191 Lur_Iran
5.17511353 Iranian
5.69068537 Turkmen_Iraq
6.79525570 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.60524819 Iranians
8.29860229 Azerbaijani
8.42081944 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.50242318 Iranian_Fars
8.84035067 Uzbekistan_Jews
9.88672848 Iran_Mazandaran
10.29994660 Turk_Southeast
10.35815138 Turk_East
11.27882973 Iran_Central_East
11.44012675 Armenian_East

Target: Demhat
Distance: 1.7262% / 1.72624659 | ADC: 1x
49.4 Kurd_Kurmanji
44.6 Kurds
6.0 Zaza

Target: Demhat
Distance: 1.5507% / 1.55074968 | ADC: 0.5x
49.4 Kurds
45.6 Kurd_Kurmanji
3.2 Zaza
1.2 Lur_Iran
0.4 Sardinian
0.2 Turkmen_Iraq

Target: Demhat
Distance: 0.7699% / 0.76994795 | ADC: 0.25x
61.4 Kurds
11.2 Zaza
8.4 Kurd_Sorani
7.4 Lur_Iran
5.2 Kurd_Kurmanji
4.2 Turkmen_Iraq
2.2 Sardinian

Reiner Arier

For comparison:

Distance to: Turk_East
4.88200778 Armenian_East
6.85192674 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.32456825 Turk_Central_East
7.47177355 Armenian_West
7.53021912 Zaza
8.18080069 Uzbekistan_Jews
8.33249062 Turk_Southeast
8.56315362 Azerbaijani_Iran
8.62619847 Azerbaijani
8.70685362 Turk_Ahiska
9.11710480 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.44748644 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
9.57523368 Turk_East_Black_Sea
9.63026999 Talysh_Azerbaijan
10.02363208 Turkmen_Iraq
10.51016651 Turk_South
10.57407206 Assyrian

Distance to: Turk_Southeast
3.78707011 Azerbaijani
4.29018648 Turk_Central_East
4.37587705 Azerbaijani_Turkey
4.94072869 Turk_South
5.21708731 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.81908928 Turk_Central_West
5.96440274 Turk_Anatolia
6.32729010 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
7.00586897 Turkmen_Iraq
7.68417855 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.29432336 Zaza
8.33249062 Turk_East
8.51700065 Turk_West_BlackSea
8.77450283 Turk_Southwest
8.97361131 Kurd_Sorani
10.22737014 Talysh_Azerbaijan
10.97013674 Yoruk

[Leto]

A banned user, I believe he was half Alevi Kurdish half Turkish

Gedrosia 23.66
Siberian 2.90
Northwest_African 0.95
Southeast_Asian 1.27
Atlantic_Med 8.99
North_European 8.16
South_Asian 1.72
East_African 0.37
Southwest_Asian 11.02
East_Asian 1.31
Caucasus 39.63
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to:	G
3.00594411	Azerbaijani_Iran
3.87898183	Kurd_Kurmanji
4.16773320	Azerbaijani_Turkey
4.36284311	Azerbaijani
4.38872419	Zaza
4.92688543	Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.69891036	Kurd_Sorani
6.91353021	Turkmen_Iraq
7.09224224	Turk_Southeast
7.15439725	Iranian
7.32634971	Kurd
7.49235610	Kurds
7.93704605	Lur_Iran
8.67626072	Turk_East
9.19099559	Turk_Central_East
9.33495581	Iranian_Fars
9.90138374	Azerbaijani_Dagestan
10.14607806	Turk_South
10.42110359	Iranians
10.72409903	Turk_Central_Black_Sea

Target: G
Distance: 2.7741% / 2.77411841 | ADC: 1x
83.8	Azerbaijani_Iran
16.2	Kurd_Kurmanji

Target: G
Distance: 2.2851% / 2.28506844 | ADC: 0.5x
62.4	Azerbaijani_Iran
29.4	Kurd_Kurmanji
5.4	Ingush
2.8	Iranian

Target: G
Distance: 1.3581% / 1.35808318 | ADC: 0.25x
45.2	Azerbaijani_Iran
13.4	Zaza
11.8	Iranian
11.6	Kurd_Kurmanji
9.8	Ingush
6.0	Kurd
1.0	Sardinian
0.6	French_Basque
0.4	Nganassan
0.2	Dai

I'm trying to find Hadouken's results.

[Demhat]

Disagree.
Can't you see the average you just quoted? Eastern Turks are not close to Kurds. Azerbaijanis are close to Kurds yes. However Azerbaijanis are not close to Armenians while Eastern Turks are.
A Turkish+Kurdish mix will be close to Azerbaijanis yes. A Turkish+Armenian mix will be close to Eastern Turks.

Kurds with a bit of Central Asian and Anatolian are more like Zaza/Alevi Kurds.

I admite I might have been wrong there with Eastern Turks. But my point about Armenians being more West-Central Anatolia and Levant shifted compared to Kurds and Azaris is quite correct. It could be down to a Phrygian origin?

[Kyp]

I admite I might have been wrong there.

no problem mate

[Leto]

Hadouken

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 39.46
2 Gedrosia 23.29
3 Southwest_Asian 14.58
4 Atlantic_Med 9.95
5 North_European 6.12
6 South_Asian 2.13
7 East_Asian 1.28
8 Siberian 0.97
9 Northwest_African 0.91
10 Sub_Saharan 0.7
11 Southeast_Asian 0.6

Distance to: Hadouken
2.33383804 Kurd_Kurmanji
3.21860218 Turkmen_Iraq
3.38588246 Zaza
3.95710753 Kurd_Sorani
4.56826006 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.63291221 Azerbaijani
5.75663964 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.00725395 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.48448919 Lur_Iran
6.84510044 Turk_Southeast
7.01265285 Kurd
7.05360192 Kurds
7.75430848 Iranian
8.40567070 Uzbekistan_Jews
8.73024055 Iranian_Fars
8.77577347 Turk_East
9.58901976 Iranians
9.91264344 Turk_Central_East
10.87177998 Armenian_East
11.34387059 Turk_South

Target: Hadouken
Distance: 1.7835% / 1.78346445 | ADC: 1x
75.2 Kurd_Kurmanji
24.8 Turkmen_Iraq

Target: Hadouken
Distance: 1.3482% / 1.34820107 | ADC: 0.5x
68.8 Kurd_Kurmanji
30.4 Turkmen_Iraq
0.8 Sardinian

Target: Hadouken
Distance: 0.9367% / 0.93667017 | ADC: 0.25x
49.2 Kurd_Kurmanji
31.6 Turkmen_Iraq
17.4 Zaza
1.6 Sardinian
0.2 YRI30

[Kaspias]

Sizin köyde Türkistan etkisi Yunanistanin baska taraflarinda gördügüm sonuctan daha fazla.
Another Turk result from Komotini/Kastanies

Western Thrace, especially Komotini, is different from the rest of Greece. The reason for this is that there are not only the locals but also the Turks who came later, lives in the region. Also, the mixture we call native is in some cases is Bulgarian, not Greek. The reason for this can be explained by the dense Pomak and Christian Bulgarian population in the region. Turks as a mass usually prefered to mix with Bulgarians rather than Greeks for some reason. But still, the ones who are centre of the towns(Komotini, Xanthi) usually carry Greek-Vlach like admixture. Even some have Jewish. So it is possible to see both Greek and Bulgarian admixture among the Turks of the region, but I would say Bulgarian is somewhat(~70%) dominant. The recent Turkification of Pomaks is also boosting it.

These are the migrations to Western Thrace:

Spoiler!

1- Turks from Drama-Kavala to Xanthi.
2- Turks from the Northern part of Central Macedonia and the Southern part of North Macedonia to Komotini and Xanthi.
3- Turks from Kardzhali to Komotini and Xanthi. (That's a mass migration happened between 1911 and 1950s)
4- Turks (and Tatars?) from NE Bulgaria to Komotini.
5- Pomaks from Bulgaria to Komotini.
6- Alevi Pomaks from Central Macedonia to Komotini.
7- Alevi Turks from Central Macedonia to Evros.
8- Slavic-Turkic bilingual speakers from Serbia to Komotini and Xanthi.
9- Albanians from Serbia to Evros.

With my current sample size, Xanthi has its own cluster between Komotini and Drama. This should point out that native Turks of Xanthi are still dominant. South part of Komotini(Ovalılar) are the same as Xanthi, and Northern part of Komotini(Dağlılar-Yakalılar) similar to Kardzhali. South part of Evros, Alexandroupoli is in the same cluster as Drama. North part of Evros, Sofulu, similar to Edirne and Ivaylovgrad. Yet this result from Kestanlik is in the Alexandroupoli range.

Our village was in the Yakalılar group, and it was not present in 1530. There are some people who aware of their migration to Western Thrace, but some claim to be native of Western Thrace. I believe there are mainly Turks who came from Bulgaria, but there should be some natives too.

For the source of Turkic admixture, I can say that the recent migration of Crimean Tatars has no great influence on the region. But the former migrations of Tatars(Erken göçte Oğuzlar ile birlikte gelenler, Aktav vs.) may have a great influence here. Because the location they settled is now empty, and the most reasonable explanation of their disappearing may be building the Kardzhali.(Kırcaali 1800'lerden önce yoktu) A migration route to the East, of course, will target Komotini as well. I don't know if you see my thread "Early Turkic forms of Turkey Turks", there my sample was getting some additional Siberian/Ugric like ancestry, and modeling like 60-70% Oghuz if I recall correctly. But I'm an outlier in this sense because half of my Turkic admixture comes from Provadia.


I'm also posting these three to compare. They should be descendants of the Turks who settled region between 1360-1530.

Xanthi + South Komotini

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 31.01
2 North_European 26.74
3 Atlantic_Med 19.79
4 Southwest_Asian 8.48
5 Gedrosia 4.99
6 Siberian 3.77
7 Northwest_African 2.55
8 East_Asian 1.82
9 East_African 0.35
10 Sub_Saharan 0.34
11 Southeast_Asian 0.17


Drama + Northern Kavala

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 27.82
2 Caucasus 27.69
3 Atlantic_Med 25.93
4 Southwest_Asian 10.32
5 Gedrosia 4.41
6 Siberian 3.19
7 Southeast_Asian 0.64


Alexandroupoli

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 30.43
2 Atlantic_Med 26.03
3 Caucasus 24.68
4 Gedrosia 6.78
5 Southwest_Asian 5.96
6 Siberian 4.43
7 South_Asian 1.17
8 Southeast_Asian 0.27
9 East_Asian 0.25

[Kaspias]

Your ancestors definitely came unmixed to balkan, maybe one of the first rebellious turkmens. I read here once whetzer your have oghuz or tatar(kiptchak) influence. I don’t eliminate the probability of tatar influence but i think you have mostly oghuz. Let dont forget that tatars where also influenced by oghuzes. You have in proportional to eastasian that ammount of gedrosia and south asian admixture which could indicate central asian(turkmenistan uzbekistan) heritage.

I personally think that my Turkic ancestry is a mix of the early Yörüks, the ones who came with Celali Rebellions and also Tatars. But I agree that it is more than half of Oghuz.

We have been investigating with @Thracian to see if Balkan Turks have Anatolian admixture or not for almost two years. We were able to detect a negligible amount(1-2%) of Anatolian in some, but most scored none. On the other hand, Balkan Turks have a great amount of Iranic-like input comparing to Anatolian Turks. Migration of non-Turk Iranic speaker Alevis following the Celali Rebellion can be an explanation for it. The second option is the migration of Turkic tribes who settled in Iran before entering Anatolia. Whatever it is, all of these admixtures(Early, Late-Celali, Tatar) melted in the same pot.