Dodecad k12b south, west and central asian results

[Fedora]

Turk from Sinop, very different result from regular Pontic Greeks...High North European with high Caucasus,also low Southwest Asian compared to Rums

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 43.08
2 North_European 14.22
3 Atlantic_Med 13.80
4 Gedrosia 12.74
5 Southwest_Asian 10.00
6 East_Asian 1.93
7 Siberian 1.83
8 Northwest_African 1.72


Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
12 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turkish_Dodecad @ 6.251087
2 Turks_Behar @ 7.923931
3 Kumyks_Yunusbayev @ 15.941479
4 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar @ 16.201349
5 Uzbekistan_Jews_Behar @ 16.591341
6 Cypriots_Behar @ 17.152456
7 Ashkenazi_Dodecad @ 17.658775
8 Lebanese_Behar @ 18.078156
9 Georgia_Jews_Behar @ 18.436911
10 Armenian_Dodecad @ 18.560379
11 Armenians_15_Yunusbayev @ 18.784012
12 Greek_Dodecad @ 19.141048
13 Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 19.149698
14 S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 19.360601
15 Kurds_Yunusbayev @ 19.468929
16 Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar @ 19.692616
17 Sicilian_Dodecad @ 19.915098
18 Assyrian_Dodecad @ 19.970732
19 Armenians_Behar @ 20.239628
20 Kurd_Dodecad @ 20.376245

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Kumyks_Yunusbayev +50% Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 2.676357

[Mejgusu]

This would make sense. But how are we going to explain the process of being more Iranic of Oghuz? Shouldn't they be in the same parallel with Göktürk samples? I mean there should be an interaction with Iranic between the period Göktürk and Oghuz Yabgu. Was there?



It may be the reason why see no Iranian on North is they didn't take migration after the settlement of the Turks who formed Beyliks. For the rest of the regions, Timurid and Mongol invasions pushed Turkmen tribes who settled in Eastern Anatolia and Iran to the West, this should be a source for Iranian admixture in Anatolia. Or maybe something else. But it is clear to me that there were neither mass Iranian mixing nor first Turk settled was carrying Iranian. That admixture should be introduced to the gene pool with further waves of migrations. Same applies to Balkan Turks:
And check this result(regular Balkan Turk)

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 26.47
2 North_European 22.23
3 Atlantic_Med 20.59
4 Gedrosia 9.55
5 Southwest_Asian 8.88
6 Siberian 6.27
7 East_Asian 2.64
8 South_Asian 2.31
9 Northwest_African 0.63
10 East_African 0.41


These first Turks should be outnumbered by natives which caused such reduced East Eurasian admixture. This is also one of the reasons why Balkan Turks have a small amount of East Eurasian. On the other hand, I predict almost half of these early Turks already died during wars, because they were the only manpower of Turks in Balkans during that time period. After all further waves brought fresh East Eurasian to the region and introduced Iranic.

Gedrosian admixture is definitely indicates oghuz impact. I one read one group of oghuzes heavily iranic influenced(before islamisation). Maybe these were oghuzes who came from horasan to anatolia, after that they rebelled and resettled to balkan. Oghuzes were diverse, some probably score more iranic some more northeasteuropean influence. Both both definitely have both of them.

It may be the reason why see no Iranian on North is they didn't take migration after the settlement of the Turks who formed Beyliks. For the rest of the regions, Timurid and Mongol invasions pushed Turkmen tribes who settled in Eastern Anatolia and Iran to the West, this should be a source for Iranian admixture in Anatolia. Or maybe something else. But it is clear to me that there were neither mass Iranian mixing nor first Turk settled was carrying Iranian. That admixture should be introduced to the gene pool with further waves of migrations. Same applies to Balkan Turks:

Just a nice information: When Timur fight against ottomans, many turkoman tribes fought for timur, especially those frome karamanid area. karamanlides wanted to be independent and didnt very like ottomans.

[Fedora]

Gedrosian admixture is definitely indicates oghuz impact. I one read one group of oghuzes heavily iranic influenced(before islamisation). Maybe these were oghuzes who came from horasan to anatolia, after that they rebelled and resettled to balkan. Oghuzes were diverse, some probably score more iranic some more northeasteuropean influence. Both both definitely have both of them.



Just a nice information: When Timur fight against ottomans, many turkoman tribes fought for timur, especially those frome karamanid area. karamanlides wanted to be independent and didnt very like ottomans.

Göktürk sample has 25% Gedrosia, a Kipchak sample has 17% Gedrosia, we can see it was high in Central Asia. The Göktürk had no CHG ancestry and scored 0% Caucasus though

[Kyp]

Gedrosian admixture is definitely indicates oghuz impact. I one read one group of oghuzes heavily iranic influenced(before islamisation). Maybe these were oghuzes who came from horasan to anatolia, after that they rebelled and resettled to balkan. Oghuzes were diverse, some probably score more iranic some more northeasteuropean influence. Both both definitely have both of them.

I think so too.

Just a nice information: When Timur fight against ottomans, many turkoman tribes fought for timur, especially those frome karamanid area. karamanlides wanted to be independent and didnt very like ottomans.

Many Turkomans deserted Iranian armies during Mongol invasion, because they thought Mongols would spare them. They got slaughtered instead.

Timur might be a different story.

[Mejgusu]

Göktürk sample has 25% Gedrosia, a Kipchak sample has 17% Gedrosia, we can see it was high in Central Asia. The Göktürk had no CHG ancestry and scored 0% Caucasus though

But proportionally he looks like oghuz influenced. They got more gedrosia than kipchaks.

Many Turkomans deserted Iranian armies during Mongol invasion, because they thought Mongols would spare them. They got slaughtered instead.

indeed very sad. But thats history, many dont understand. just because of that i am not hating mongolians, they are another important people which turkish historians schould follow up with them to find out who we are. The same count for iranians.

Timur might be a different story.

Yes i think so. He wasnt interested in anatolia, so he didnt wasted force there.

[Babak]

When selcuks conquered persia a high amount of oghuz settlers came too. Many of them settled outside the cities also many came to the cities. You can envisage that many persians werent happy that. Thats what i meant.

I dont think so bro. Seljuks and Persians were mostly allies.

[Mejgusu]

I dont think so bro. Seljuks and Persians were mostly allies.

You think the persians were happy about the flood of foreign people? many turkish and western historians say that was a big issue for selcuks. Normal people dont care about the ally of your state,if you have to deal with that amount of migrants who came in a little while.

[Halgurd]

You think the persians were happy about the flood of foreign people? many turkish and western historians say that was a big issue for selcuks. Normal people dont care about the ally of your state,if you have to deal with that amount of migrants who came in a little while.

Turks are called Tork e khar in Iran.

[Kyp]

Turks are called Tork e khar in Iran.

As if Kurds are viewed better in Iran..

[Dr_Maul]

I dont think so bro. Seljuks and Persians were mostly allies.

Yeah they were allied to the Persian state (Samanids) but when they were overthrown by the Mamluk Slaves and became Ghaznavids they had to invade and a lot of them migrated, I assume most people didn't agree with it even though the Seljuks were basically fully persianized at that point