Dodecad k12b south, west and central asian results

[Dr_Maul]

Ah now I understand what you mean

There is quite a misunderstanding here. The linguistic subgroups don't work like that. middle Iranic refers to the time frame.

Middle Persian wasn't closer to Parthian on these specific traits that define North and South. The Northwest/Southwest split is based on grammatic and loudshifts. Every Iranic language of today is l a new Iranic language, even Kurdish. Just that it belongs to the Northwestern branch. Kurdish shares loudshifts with Parthian that differs from Sassanid. The conncetion between Parthian (Median) and Kurdish is based on archaic, historical loudshift that differs from middle and new Persian.

I don't know how to explain this more properly to you. Even if they had new Persian influence on Kurdish areas the Northwest Iranic languages would still be closer to Parthian

Hmmm I honestly have to look over it more, I am not really an expert in the language field... Maybe you are right, but how can Parthian NOT be eastern considering geography? Is there really a Median connection? I don't think its likely tbh

[Babak]

Hmmm I honestly have to look over it more, I am not really an expert in the language field... Maybe you are right, but how can Parthian NOT be eastern considering geography? Is there really a Median connection? I don't think its likely tbh

Its possible that Kurdish is descended from Parthian with median influence.

[Demhat]

Hmmm I honestly have to look over it more, I am not really an expert in the language field... Maybe you are right, but how can Parthian NOT be eastern considering geography? Is there really a Median connection? I don't think its likely tbh

Eastern Iranic is not a geographic term, it overlaps allot with geography but East and West divide is a linguistic term. Royal Scythians and Skoloti from Ukraine and Caucasus lived more West than the Medes the language however belongs to the East Iranic branch. Tajiks live in Central Asia that doesn't change the fact that their language is derived from Middle Persian.
You have to understand that the East living Parthians were just a small group of Scythians known as Parni. The Imperial Parthians were located more West, Their main cities were located in Media. Baghdad was infact one of their capitals.

Also remember The Medes expanded/migrated vastly over the Iranian Plateau all the way into Central Anatolia. It could even be that the original Parni already mixed with Medes as some authors classify the language of Parni like a mix of Scythian and Mede.

[Demhat]

Its possible that Kurdish is descended from Parthian with median influence.

Parthian doesn't really need Median influence it is already predominantly like Median but with Scythian influence. That is down to the Parni tribe coming down to the local Median tribes who had expanded all the way into the East and mixing with them.

Median + Parni (Scythian tribe ) = Parthian.

[Halgurd]

Parthian doesn't really need Median influence it is already predominantly like Median but with Scythian influence. That is down to the Parni tribe coming down to the local Median tribes who had expanded all the way into the East and mixing with them.

Median + Parni (Scythian tribe ) = Parthian.

And Parthian subsequently = Kurdish. Am I correct?

[Demhat]

And Parthian subsequently = Kurdish. Am I correct?

That's one of the more logical explanations, yes. Especially since the Parthians introduced Mithra as the sun deity. And according to world leading figures such as Prof. Kreyenbroek in Iranistic science. Yezidis and Yarsan and to some extend the Alevis are based on Parthian type of Mithraism. You know the importance of the sun among Kurds. The Medes according to Kreyenbroek already worshipped a sun deity. But especially with the Parthians Mithra became the personification of the sun.

[Demhat]

Ardashir in the middle, right Ahura Mazda and left Mithra. You see the sun ray crown around his head?

Ardashir depicted himself with a reason together with Mithra as well Ahura Mazda. To signal to the tribes that he was chosen King of the Parthians as well Persians. Parthians were overhelmingly Mithra (sun) worshippers. Even their first Kings were named Mithridates, literally meaning "given (send) by Mithra"

[Mejgusu]

I don't understand the importance of 5-10% Central Asian admixture if 95-90% is genetically identical or at least very similar. Actually I would be shocked if some East Eurasian admixture didn't exist on the Plateau as far back as the earliest Iranic empires. I believe to remember that even some Bronze/Iron Age East Anatolian samples (most likely Iranic because of very high Gedrosia percentages too) showed few percentages of East Eurasian admixture (3-4%). I know that there are some Azeris and Turkmens who can score as high as 15% Central Asian but I think they are rather exception than norm.

Thats wrong, we spoke about eastasian admix. And i really doubt that even that they have low eastasian that it comes from ancient people. Just chorasan iranians and iranians with knowns azerbaijani/turkic ancestors score more than 3% eastasian, and maybe even those people with that low eastasian admix could have far distant turkic ancestors.

I agree with this. It's not necessarily a mark of Turkic ancestry. It may very much be from the early Iranic empires which makes sense given that the first Iranic tribes originate from that area.

What does that means? They have from 20-60% Turkic admixture.Yes, it is depending to from where you are, from which tribe you are and whether you have iranian/caucasian ancestors. Especially the azerbaijani turks dont deny that they are iranic/caucasian influenced. quite the contary they proud of that. Also they are proud of their turkic heritage and they love beeing turkic. For anatolian turks azerbaijanis are a kind of their youth, like "good old time when we were young". Also anatolian turks like me donty deny they iranic influenced culture. So please stop indicating that azerbaijanis are just turkified locals. And if that is right, you have the right to deny that. Also i dont say "Kurd are just kurdified armenians/turkomans/asyrians/jews/arabs etc..." Everybody have to be proud of the ancestors(and we are proud of beeing turkic), we dont deny any iranic influence in us.

[Demhat]

Thats wrong, we spoke about eastasian admix. And i really doubt that even that they have low eastasian that it comes from ancient people. Just chorasan iranians and iranians with knowns azerbaijani/turkic ancestors score more than 3% eastasian, and maybe even those people with that low eastasian admix could have far distant turkic ancestors.

As I wrote in a later comment. It was not my intention to doubt the Turkic-ness of the people and I very much do believe most of the East Eurasian in Azeris and Turkmens there is Turkic derived. I was merely pointing out that allot of people around here are filtering the East Eurasian out as if it is something very foreign while this kind of ancestry did probably exist even in ancient times.

[Kyp]

Thanks, look like regular azerbaijanis.

result from Naxcivan added:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...zeri-DNA/page3