So Celts were North Europeans after all?

[Peterski]

Guys, there are Iron Age French samples! I'm downloading. So many samples!

[Grace O'Malley]

Guys, there are Iron Age French samples! I'm downloading. So many samples!

Can't wait to see what they are like. Thank you.

[SharpFork]

If we have eastern samples from around the Alsace region they can be a good indicator of early celts, those were core Hallstatt regions.

[Grace O'Malley]

I was looking at those Swiss Celtic samples and they are closest to Spaniards which would explain why Iberians get such a high dose of them.

Distance to: Celtic:Constance_MX283
0.03230589 Spanish_Soria
0.03981424 French_Auvergne
0.03988847 French_Occitanie
0.04058295 French_South
0.04108385 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.04109183 Spanish_Castello
0.04238192 Spanish_Girona
0.04344088 Spanish_Penedes
0.04357718 Spanish_Pirineu
0.04367458 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.04370804 Swiss_French
0.04373152 Spanish_Cantabria
0.04483558 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.04491178 Spanish_Cataluna
0.04500153 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.04501239 Spanish_Barcelones
0.04516028 Spanish_Lleida
0.04530823 French_Paris
0.04594034 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.04600792 Spanish_Mallorca
0.04695622 Spanish_Baleares
0.04780595 Basque_Spanish
0.04839098 French_Provence
0.04846419 Spanish_Valencia
0.04852166 French_Pas-de-Calais

Distance to: Celtic:Constance_MX254_2
0.03464891 French_Occitanie
0.03505670 French_Auvergne
0.03540269 Spanish_Soria
0.03686544 Swiss_French
0.03715282 French_Paris
0.03914016 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.03991851 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.04038952 French_Nord
0.04044978 Swiss_German
0.04088626 Spanish_Penedes
0.04124982 Spanish_Girona
0.04142974 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.04170260 French_Alsace
0.04173687 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.04206262 Belgian
0.04243459 French_South
0.04250244 French_Provence
0.04297874 Spanish_Castello
0.04365573 Spanish_Pirineu
0.04396880 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.04420092 Spanish_Mallorca
0.04438978 Spanish_Lleida
0.04467872 Spanish_Cantabria
0.04474864 Spanish_Barcelones
0.04633059 Spanish_Baleares

Distance to: Celtic:St_Gallen_SX20
0.02962418 Spanish_Barcelones
0.03088535 French_Occitanie
0.03111555 French_Auvergne
0.03197608 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.03291915 Basque_French
0.03300421 French_South
0.03484421 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.03543462 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.03629089 Spanish_Lleida
0.03654432 Spanish_Pirineu
0.03657065 Spanish_Cantabria
0.03682866 Spanish_Aragon
0.03689219 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.03696268 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.03747817 Spanish_Penedes
0.03768521 Spanish_Valencia
0.03780898 Swiss_German
0.03781292 Spanish_Cataluna
0.03788158 Spanish_Girona
0.03884917 Swiss_French
0.03936236 Spanish_Navarra
0.04042572 French_Paris
0.04063183 Spanish_Mallorca
0.04078563 French_Alsace
0.04080754 Spanish_Menorca

Target: Celtic:Constance_MX283
Distance: 2.2354% / 0.02235397
61.4 Spanish_Soria
14.4 Latvian
12.8 Sardinian
5.4 Cossack_Kuban
5.0 Basque_Spanish
1.0 Kosipe

Target: Celtic:Constance_MX254_2
Distance: 2.1602% / 0.02160158
58.0 Spanish_Soria
13.0 Slovakian
7.0 Basque_Spanish
6.0 Lithuanian_SZ
5.8 Spanish_La_Rioja
3.4 Cossack_Ukrainian
2.8 Norwegian
2.0 Ket
2.0 Sardinian

Target: Celtic:St_Gallen_SX20
Distance: 2.1566% / 0.02156619
44.4 Basque_French
18.0 French_Seine-Maritime
13.2 Italian_Lombardy
9.6 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
9.0 Lithuanian_VZ
5.4 Sardinian
0.2 Igorot
0.2 Shetlandic

[Peterski]

Screw Bronze Age I'm just downloading Iron Age ones first.

[SharpFork]

Screw Bronze Age I'm just downloading Iron Age ones first.

I mean Bronze France is one place we can still know something more, but yeah...

[Peterski]

All Iron Age samples (unless I missed some):

ATT26
BES1248
BFM265
COL11
COL153i
COL153A
NOR3-15
ERS86
ERS88
PECH5
NOR4
Jeb8
ERS1164
NOR2B6
NOR3-6
PEY53

I mean Bronze France is one place we can still know something more, but yeah...

I will download Bronze Age ones after I finish with Iron Age ones.

[SharpFork]

Where can we see dating and location?

[Peterski]

Ancient genomes from present-day France unveil 7,000 years of its demographic history.

Abstract:

Genomic studies conducted on ancient individuals across Europe have unraveled how migrations have contributed to its present genetic landscape, but the territory of present-day France has yet to be connected to the broader European picture. We generated a large dataset comprising the complete mitochondrial genomes, Y chromosome markers and genotypes on a number of nuclear loci of interest, obtained through a DNA enrichment approach, of 203 individuals sampled across present-day France over a period spanning 7,000 years, complemented with a partially overlapping dataset of 58 low-coverage genomes. This panel provides, for the first time, a high-resolution transect of the dynamics of maternal and paternal lineages in France as well as of autosomal genotypes. Both parental lineages and genomic data revealed demographic patterns in France for the Neolithic and Bronze Age transition consistent with neighboring regions with a first wave of migration of Anatolian farmers, then varying degrees of admixture with autochthonous hunter-gatherers and a second high gene flow from individuals deriving part of their ancestry from the Pontic Steppe at the onset of the Bronze Age. Our data have also highlighted the persistence of the Magdalenian heritage in hunter-gatherer populations outside Spain and thus provide arguments for an expansion of these populations at the end of the Paleolithic period, more northerly than what has been described so far. Finally, no major demographic changes were detected during the transition between the Bronze and Iron Ages. (...)

[J. Ketch]

I'm expecting most of Bronze Age Northern France to be similar to Bronze Age Britain, and below the Loire to be mostly Basque like. East of the Loire part of the genetically West-Central-Euro Celtic homeland that later incorporated and influenced the rest.

Could be completely wrong of course.