So Celts were North Europeans after all?

[Lucas]

ATT26,37.37,21.78,13.11,1.13,17.75,0,2.94,0,4.09,0,0,0,0,0,1.82
BES1248,33.57,32.36,8.76,10.37,9.79,1.45,0.31,0,0.2,0.9,0,1.93,0,0,0.35
BFM265,28.12,34.55,11.89,3.86,11.42,3.64,4.73,0.93,0.01,0,0,0,0.4,0.44,0
COL11,33.38,25.25,15.49,6.28,10.75,2.53,0,0,5.23,0,0,0,0,0,1.09
COL153A,29.63,22.17,8.74,6.95,15.4,0,13.47,3.63,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
COL153i,21.54,30.34,8.12,7.3,17.4,8.39,0,0.3,0,0,1.34,0,3.32,1.94,0
ERS1164,21.87,34.86,9.97,8.73,12.71,4.57,1.48,0.3,1.19,0.29,2.53,0,0,0,1.5
ERS86,24.03,24.52,13.52,7.2,21.49,0,6.5,0.93,0,0,0,0,0.4,0.78,0.62
ERS88,29.83,18.14,1.07,7.03,18.8,4,17.58,2.25,0,0,0,1.01,0,0.29,0
Jeb8,26.5,30.24,7.46,3.21,20.32,2.45,4.19,0.59,0,0,0,2.54,2.5,0,0
NOR2B6,20.06,23.31,14.3,5.08,18.27,3.13,11.32,4.53,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
NOR3-15,23.05,33.21,17.52,0.07,14.08,5.44,0,2.89,0,0,0.65,0,0.51,2.59,0
NOR3-6,24.41,33.02,12.81,6.55,12.21,6.68,0,1.82,1.91,0,0,0.38,0.2,0,0
NOR4,29.01,19.86,6.35,2.84,26.46,0,13.8,0.37,0,0,0.97,0,0.34,0,0
PECH5,29.46,24.4,9.14,0,31.91,0,0,0.41,0,1.63,0.72,2.34,0,0,0
PEY53,33.74,36.39,5.11,4.4,8.63,4.19,2.8,3.18,0,0,0,0.29,1.27,0,0

Use this:

http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/k15-vahaduo.htm

It should be correct?

Yes, place them in K15 PCA.

[Lucas]

ATT26,37.37,21.78,13.11,1.13,17.75,0,2.94,0,4.09,0,0,0,0,0,1.82
BES1248,33.57,32.36,8.76,10.37,9.79,1.45,0.31,0,0.2,0.9,0,1.93,0,0,0.35
BFM265,28.12,34.55,11.89,3.86,11.42,3.64,4.73,0.93,0.01,0,0,0,0.4,0.44,0
COL11,33.38,25.25,15.49,6.28,10.75,2.53,0,0,5.23,0,0,0,0,0,1.09
COL153A,29.63,22.17,8.74,6.95,15.4,0,13.47,3.63,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
COL153i,21.54,30.34,8.12,7.3,17.4,8.39,0,0.3,0,0,1.34,0,3.32,1.94,0
ERS1164,21.87,34.86,9.97,8.73,12.71,4.57,1.48,0.3,1.19,0.29,2.53,0,0,0,1.5
ERS86,24.03,24.52,13.52,7.2,21.49,0,6.5,0.93,0,0,0,0,0.4,0.78,0.62
ERS88,29.83,18.14,1.07,7.03,18.8,4,17.58,2.25,0,0,0,1.01,0,0.29,0
Jeb8,26.5,30.24,7.46,3.21,20.32,2.45,4.19,0.59,0,0,0,2.54,2.5,0,0
NOR2B6,20.06,23.31,14.3,5.08,18.27,3.13,11.32,4.53,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
NOR3-15,23.05,33.21,17.52,0.07,14.08,5.44,0,2.89,0,0,0.65,0,0.51,2.59,0
NOR3-6,24.41,33.02,12.81,6.55,12.21,6.68,0,1.82,1.91,0,0,0.38,0.2,0,0
NOR4,29.01,19.86,6.35,2.84,26.46,0,13.8,0.37,0,0,0.97,0,0.34,0,0
PECH5,29.46,24.4,9.14,0,31.91,0,0,0.41,0,1.63,0.72,2.34,0,0,0
PEY53,33.74,36.39,5.11,4.4,8.63,4.19,2.8,3.18,0,0,0,0.29,1.27,0,0

Use this:

http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/k15-vahaduo.htm

It should be correct?

I see in K15 thre more Scanic and lesss Frenchy. I think K36 is better for them. At least for those which I checked.

Target: PEY53
Distance: 7.4034% / 7.40341896 | ADC: 0.5x
41.6 Irish
26.2 Southeast_English
17.2 French_Basque
15.0 Orcadian

Target: PECH5
Distance: 15.9464% / 15.94637519 | ADC: 0.5x
60.0 Spanish_Galicia
26.0 Spanish_Cantabria
9.2 Southwest_English
4.8 Sardinian

Target: NOR4
Distance: 10.7288% / 10.72882472 | ADC: 0.5x
60.4 Spanish_Galicia
38.0 Italy_Lombardy
0.8 Sardinian
0.8 West_German

Target: NOR3-6
Distance: 6.1643% / 6.16429788 | ADC: 0.5x
36.8 North_German
33.0 German_Bavarian
25.6 French_Basque
4.6 Austrian

Target: NOR3-15
Distance: 11.3392% / 11.33915116 | ADC: 0.5x
35.4 North_German
19.0 French_Basque
16.2 Southwest_French
15.4 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
14.0 Czech

Target: NOR2B6
Distance: 4.6527% / 4.65265468 | ADC: 0.5x
72.4 Italy_Trentino
19.6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
4.8 Slovenian
3.2 Lithuanian

Target: Jeb8
Distance: 5.0049% / 5.00488518 | ADC: 0.5x
64.8 France-South
17.6 Spanish_Cantabria
16.0 Southwest_English
1.6 French_Basque

Target: ERS88
Distance: 10.3518% / 10.35175321 | ADC: 0.5x
72.8 Italy_Lombardy
26.2 West_German
1.0 Libyan_Jewish

Target: ERS1164
Distance: 5.7850% / 5.78497897 | ADC: 0.5x
40.6 South_Dutch
34.8 French_Basque
14.8 Austrian
9.2 North_German
0.6 Tatar

Target: ERS1164
Distance: 5.7850% / 5.78497897 | ADC: 0.5x
40.6 South_Dutch
34.8 French_Basque
14.8 Austrian
9.2 North_German
0.6 Tatar

Target: COL153i
Distance: 7.9004% / 7.90037679 | ADC: 0.5x
41.6 Southwest_French
33.0 South_Dutch
11.0 German_Bavarian
6.0 Spanish_Cantabria
4.0 French_Basque
2.2 Chechen
2.0 Nogay
0.2 Papuan

Target: COL153A
Distance: 6.4833% / 6.48328372 | ADC: 0.5x
52.2 West_German
23.4 Italy_Lombardy
20.4 Spanish_Galicia
3.2 Italy_Trentino
0.8 Yemenite_Jewish

Target: COL11
Distance: 6.2210% / 6.22102019 | ADC: 0.5x
53.8 Southwest_English
21.0 East_German
15.8 Swedish
7.2 North_Dutch
2.2 Chamar

Target: BFM265
Distance: 4.9070% / 4.90700203 | ADC: 0.5x
41.6 Irish
33.0 German_Bavarian
19.2 French_Basque
6.2 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon

Target: BES1248
Distance: 4.2136% / 4.21357697 | ADC: 0.5x
39.2 Southeast_English
30.8 England
22.4 West_Scottish
7.6 French_Basque

Target: ATT26
Distance: 11.9658% / 11.96576598 | ADC: 0.5x
56.4 West_German
23.0 Southwest_English
14.4 Spanish_Galicia
6.2 West_Norwegian

[gixajo]

Good example I think


19.2 ES_Navarra
14.4 ES_La_Rioja



21.4 ES_Navarra
15.6 ES_La_Rioja

They must score high in WHG and not only steppe in calculators with those components.

[Lucas]

Target: PEY53
Distance: 6.6620% / 6.66202098 | ADC: 0.25x
49.6 Orcadian
24.8 West_Scottish
24.4 French_Basque
1.2 Saudi

Target: PECH5
Distance: 13.3922% / 13.39219617 | ADC: 0.25x
51.4 Southwest_English
39.0 Sardinian
9.6 West_Norwegian

Target: NOR4
Distance: 8.1492% / 8.14915134 | ADC: 0.25x
40.8 Italy_Lombardy
32.0 West_Norwegian
27.2 Sardinian

Target: NOR3-6
Distance: 4.2682% / 4.26822808 | ADC: 0.25x
54.4 North_German
35.2 French_Basque
6.4 Russian_Smolensk
2.8 North_Ossetian
1.2 Kalash

Target: NOR3-15
Distance: 10.1414% / 10.14140038 | ADC: 0.25x
33.8 French_Basque
29.0 Irish
17.4 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
16.4 Lithuanian
2.6 North_Ossetian
0.8 Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator

Target: NOR2B6
Distance: 3.2513% / 3.25133046 | ADC: 0.25x
51.2 Italy_Trentino
33.0 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
11.6 Lithuanian
2.2 Saudi
2.0 Sardinian

Target: Jeb8
Distance: 3.8086% / 3.80860151 | ADC: 0.25x
48.0 France-South
23.4 Southwest_English
17.2 Spanish_Cantabria
9.2 French_Basque
1.2 Papuan
1.0 Karitiana

Target: ERS88
Distance: 9.5577% / 9.55774363 | ADC: 0.25x
55.2 Italy_Lombardy
22.2 West_German
11.6 Libyan_Jewish
11.0 West_Norwegian

Target: ERS86
Distance: 4.0761% / 4.07611653 | ADC: 0.25x
53.4 France-South
20.0 Spanish_Galicia
15.0 Latvian
7.6 Sardinian
3.8 North_Swedish
0.2 Southwest_French

Target: ERS1164
Distance: 3.2440% / 3.24397671 | ADC: 0.25x
46.0 French_Basque
40.0 North_German
13.0 Tatar
0.8 Austrian
0.2 Yoruban

Target: COL153i
Distance: 4.8732% / 4.87317459 | ADC: 0.25x
30.6 French_Basque
22.4 England
19.4 Spanish_Cantabria
14.8 East_German
8.6 Balkar
2.0 Papuan
1.8 Tatar
0.4 Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator

Target: COL153A
Distance: 5.4916% / 5.49160852 | ADC: 0.25x
41.8 West_German
17.4 Spanish_Galicia
17.2 France-South
9.0 Italy_Lombardy
8.0 West_Norwegian
6.6 Yemenite_Jewish

Target: COL11
Distance: 5.3046% / 5.30460517 | ADC: 0.25x
72.4 Southwest_English
10.4 Lithuanian
7.2 Danish
5.8 Swedish
4.2 Chamar

Target: BFM265
Distance: 4.1252% / 4.12517321 | ADC: 0.25x
62.2 Irish
23.0 French_Basque
8.0 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
6.8 Bulgarian_Thracian

Target: BES1248
Distance: 2.9408% / 2.94078078 | ADC: 0.25x
44.0 West_Scottish
35.2 Scotland
15.6 French_Basque
4.4 Aland_Sweden
0.8 Anzick-1

Target: ATT26
Distance: 10.1272% / 10.12718207 | ADC: 0.25x
71.4 West_Norwegian
15.4 Sardinian
11.6 Spanish_Galicia
1.6 Sakilli

[gixajo]

Yes, place them in K15 PCA.

Target: gixajo
Distance: 8.5924% / 8.59241068
26.8 NOR2B6
25.0 Jeb8
18.2 PECH5
16.8 COL153i
6.8 ERS1164
6.4 NOR3-15

Distance to: gixajo
10.15329011 Jeb8
12.69928344 ERS86
12.78776759 COL153i
13.86413719 NOR2B6
15.18737963 ERS1164
15.40080517 NOR3-15
16.03148153 NOR3-6
16.51676724 BFM265
17.35875572 PECH5
19.15488188 NOR4
19.62168698 COL153A
22.22644596 PEY53
22.95239421 BES1248
23.61308959 ATT26
23.78826391 COL11
24.13346846 ERS88

[gixajo]

Target: Jeb8
Distance: 2.5345% / 2.53451826
44.0 Orcadian
24.4 French_Basque
20.0 Sardinian
4.6 West_Norwegian
3.0 Southwest_English
2.0 Karitiana
2.0 Papuan

And my k15 of the same calculator:

Target: gixajo
Distance: 3.4839% / 3.48394996
41.4 French_Basque
35.0 Spanish_Galicia
7.8 Ukrainian_Lviv
7.4 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
6.2 Sardinian
1.4 Somali
0.4 North_Ossetian
0.4 Papuan

[SharpFork]

What are good distances on K15?

[XenophobicPrussian]

Again, just like BA Switzerland and Bavaria, completely mixed group and non-homogenous.

Distance to: PEY53
9.72350246 Southeast_English
10.20197040 Irish
10.38149797 Southwest_English

Distance to: PECH5
16.65402654 Spanish_Galicia
17.08797238 France-South
17.37618485 Spanish_Cantabria

Distance to: NOR4
11.53827977 Spanish_Galicia
12.29058990 Italy_Lombardy
12.67998817 Portuguese

Distance to: NOR3-6
10.30015534 South_Dutch
10.46375650 German_Bavarian
12.13412131 French

Distance to: NOR3-15
15.36652856 German_Bavarian
15.94057088 South_Dutch
16.08980112 French

Distance to: NOR2B6
6.02952734 Italy_Trentino
7.45502515 Italy_Friuli
8.30534767 Italy_Piedmont

Distance to: Jeb8
6.17019449 France-South
8.29965662 Spanish_Cataluna
9.03606109 French

Distance to: ERS88
12.04279037 Italy_Lombardy
12.81326266 Italy_Veneto
13.52011464 Italy_Aostavalley

Distance to: ERS86
8.80119310 France-South
9.29623580 Spanish_Galicia
10.34985024 Spanish_Cataluna

Distance to: ERS1164
12.16415636 South_Dutch
12.48421804 German_Bavarian
13.31741717 French

Distance to: COL153i
12.20184822 French
12.46039325 France-South
12.73798257 Spanish_Cataluna

Distance to: COL153A
9.28228959 French
9.82291199 Italy_Aostavalley
10.82378400 Italy_Trentino

Distance to: COL11
8.88110916 North_German
8.90314551 Dutch
9.03960729 Southwest_English

Distance to: BFM265
9.62151755 South_Dutch
9.64661080 Belgium
9.97768510 German_Bavarian

Distance to: BES1248
5.34108603 Southeast_English
5.59627555 England
5.84556242 Southwest_English

Distance to: ATT26
12.74115772 West_German
13.73145295 Southwest_English
14.13941654 Belgium

8 southern shifted ones(some even less than N. Iberia now, although that could just be a product of K15 and not using G25), 7 northern shifted ones.

I said it before and I'll say it again, lol. More Rhaetians perhaps. Anyone know where in France these samples are from? Is it one spot or the entire country?

[Peterski]

They are probably from different regions of France:

https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/PRJEB36529

[Raizen]

Again, just like BA Switzerland and Bavaria, completely mixed group and non-homogenous.



8 southern shifted ones(some even less than N. Iberia now, although that could just be a product of K15 and not using G25), 7 northern shifted ones.

I said it before and I'll say it again, lol. More Rhaetians perhaps. Anyone know where in France these samples are from? Is it one spot or the entire country?

my bet is that the northern shifted ones are from a site further north. but apparently the french didn't changed much since the gauls.