G25: Are you closer to EEF, Yamnaya or other ancient populations?

**~~Nassbean~~** · 05-04-2020, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by Demhat

How do I get these G25 coordinates.

Are you sure from Iberian Peninsula? The study itself says it is literally a mix of Levant Natufian like DNA and some ancetral West African.

https://www.shh.mpg.de/866128/north-...oldest-genomes

So I don't quite get how the "Iberian" part fits into all of this.

it's not iberian nor natufian + west africa :

"Moreover, our model predicts that West Africans (represented by Yoruba) had 12.5±1.1% ancestry from a Taforalt-related group rather than Taforalt having ancestry from an unknown Sub-Saharan African source11; this may have mediated the limited Neanderthal admixture present in West Africans23. An advantage of our model is that it allows for a local North African component in the ancestry of Taforalt, rather than deriving them exclusively from Levantine and Sub-Saharan sources."

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/423079v1.full

**kleenex** · 05-04-2020, 09:06 PM

You won the EEF contest.

**kleenex** · 05-04-2020, 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by AncientGreek

Code:

Distance to:	AncientGreek
0.13712573	EEF
0.22093318	Natufian
0.23181045	CHG
0.23907048	Yamnaya
0.26752933	Iran_Neolithic
0.31962099	Dravidian
0.36482539	EHG
0.37133953	SHG
0.44473316	WHG
0.44488484	Iberomaurusian
0.51496345	Beringian
0.61953817	Rudnaya
0.70135128	Indigenous_South_American
0.75440286	Sub-Saharan

Code:

Target: AncientGreek
Distance: 3.2552% / 0.03255221
53.8	EEF
16.8	Yamnaya
11.2	Iran_Neolithic
10.6	CHG
7.6	Natufian

Sorry you won the EEF contest.

**gixajo** · 05-04-2020, 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by Nassbean

it's not iberian nor natufian + west africa :

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/423079v1.full

You are right.

A two-way admixture scenario using Natufian and modern sub-Saharan samples (including West Africans and the Tanzanian Hadza) as reference populations inferred that the seven Taforalt individuals are best modeled genetically as of 63.5% Natufian-related and 36.5% sub-Saharan ancestry (with the latter having both West African-like and Hadza-like affinities), with no apparent gene flow from the Epigravettian culture of Paleolithic southern Europe. The scientists indicated that further ancient DNA testing at other Iberomaurusian archaeological sites would be necessary to determine whether the Taforalt samples were representative of the broader Iberomaurusian gene pool

I was still with the old theory of Iberians Cromagnons going to North Africa 12k years ago.

**Leto** · 05-05-2020, 12:57 AM

Distance to: Leto_scaled
0.13599612 Yamnaya
0.21277735 EHG
0.22813071 SHG
0.25944694 EEF
0.27411159 CHG
0.31542208 Natufian
0.32275200 Iran_Neolithic
0.32875196 Dravidian
0.33494844 WHG
0.44679389 Beringian

Target: Leto_scaled
Distance: 5.5752% / 0.05575241
35.8 Yamnaya
31.6 EEF
17.4 SHG
11.4 EHG
3.8 Rudnaya

What is Rudnaya?

**~~Ion Basescul~~** · 05-05-2020, 01:01 AM

Originally Posted by Leto

Distance to: Leto_scaled
0.13599612 Yamnaya
0.21277735 EHG
0.22813071 SHG
0.25944694 EEF
0.27411159 CHG
0.31542208 Natufian
0.32275200 Iran_Neolithic
0.32875196 Dravidian
0.33494844 WHG
0.44679389 Beringian

Target: Leto_scaled
Distance: 5.5752% / 0.05575241
35.8 Yamnaya
31.6 EEF
17.4 SHG
11.4 EHG
3.8 Rudnaya

What is Rudnaya?

Siberian/East Asian
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chertovy_Vorota_Cave

**~~Rocinante~~** · 05-05-2020, 01:03 AM

Originally Posted by Leto

Distance to: Leto_scaled
0.13599612 Yamnaya
0.21277735 EHG
0.22813071 SHG
0.25944694 EEF
0.27411159 CHG
0.31542208 Natufian
0.32275200 Iran_Neolithic
0.32875196 Dravidian
0.33494844 WHG
0.44679389 Beringian

Target: Leto_scaled
Distance: 5.5752% / 0.05575241
35.8 Yamnaya
31.6 EEF
17.4 SHG
11.4 EHG
3.8 Rudnaya

What is Rudnaya?

Ancient northeastern asian

**Leto** · 05-05-2020, 01:10 AM

On other runs I score a bit more, close to 6%.

**Vojnik** · 05-05-2020, 01:39 AM

Whats SHG?

Distance to:	Vojnik_scaled
0.17020687	EEF
0.18916148	Yamnaya
0.25091250	CHG
0.25640729	Natufian
0.29614025	Iran_Neolithic
0.29921022	EHG
0.30205539	SHG
0.32722515	Dravidian
0.38527706	WHG
0.46199466	Iberomaurusian
0.49424372	Beringian
0.61503496	Rudnaya
0.68505807	Indigenous_South_American
0.76263046	Sub-Saharan

Target: Vojnik_scaled Distance: 3.5984% / 0.03598433
49.4	EEF

41.2	Yamnaya

5.4	SHG

3.4	Natufian

0.6	Iran_Neolithic

Target: Vojnik_scaled Distance: 3.5984% / 0.03598433
49.4	EEF

41.2	Yamnaya

5.4	SHG

3.4	Natufian

0.6	Iran_Neolithic

**~~Kamal900~~** · 05-05-2020, 01:43 AM

Distance to: Moody_scaled
0.17205571 EEF
0.18287305 Natufian
0.22421904 CHG
0.23498003 Iran_Neolithic
0.25601935 Yamnaya
0.29087883 Dravidian
0.37933796 EHG
0.39513899 SHG
0.40235911 Iberomaurusian
0.46825258 WHG
0.50016925 Beringian
0.60126377 Rudnaya
0.68928494 Indigenous_South_American
0.71731583 Sub-Saharan

Target: Moody_scaled
Distance: 2.6837% / 0.02683678
31.6 EEF
28.0 Natufian
20.4 Iran_Neolithic
12.8 CHG
6.2 Yamnaya
0.8 Sub-Saharan
0.2 Dravidian