Pontic Greek Gedmatch results

[Roman-Anatolian]

K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent1
West_Asian32.152
East_Med28.153
West_Med14.664
North_Atlantic11.065
Baltic9.116
Red_Sea4.24

Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turkish @ 9.151875
2 Azeri @ 13.509718
3 Armenian @ 15.539351
4 Georgian_Jewish @ 16.328678
5 Kurdish @ 17.188620
6 Kumyk @ 17.545097
7 Assyrian @ 17.746841
8 Central_Greek @ 19.051550
9 Lebanese_Muslim @ 19.330618
10 Iranian @ 19.457731
11 South_Italian @ 20.411077
12 East_Sicilian @ 20.448992
13 Cyprian @ 20.456379
14 Syrian @ 21.160980
15 Kurdish_Jewish @ 21.192333
16 Adygei @ 21.207352
17 Italian_Abruzzo @ 21.217182
18 Iranian_Jewish @ 21.410467
19 Balkar @ 21.550978
20 Kabardin @ 22.536959

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Ashkenazi +50% Georgian @ 2.857617


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Georgian +25% Greek_Thessaly +25% Italian_Jewish @ 2.708877


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Ashkenazi + Central_Greek + Georgian + Georgian @ 2.571820
2 Georgian + Georgian + Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Jewish @ 2.708877
3 Ashkenazi + Georgian + Georgian + Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.744284
4 Ashkenazi + East_Sicilian + Georgian + Georgian @ 2.819821
5 Adygei + Central_Greek + Georgian + Italian_Jewish @ 2.836796
6 Abhkasian + Bulgarian + Georgian + Italian_Jewish @ 2.857168
7 Ashkenazi + Ashkenazi + Georgian + Georgian @ 2.857617
8 Abhkasian + Armenian + Cyprian + Serbian @ 2.861964
9 Armenian + Cyprian + Georgian + Serbian @ 2.863045
10 Ashkenazi + Georgian + Georgian + Greek_Thessaly @ 2.871546
11 Bulgarian + Georgian + Georgian + Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.914241
12 Abhkasian + Georgian + Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Jewish @ 2.926794
13 Abhkasian + Ashkenazi + Georgian + Greek_Thessaly @ 2.931496
14 Bulgarian + Georgian + Georgian + Italian_Jewish @ 2.937241
15 Abhkasian + Ashkenazi + Georgian + Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.982455
16 Abhkasian + Adygei + Central_Greek + Italian_Jewish @ 2.983650
17 Adygei + Ashkenazi + Georgian + South_Italian @ 3.005709
18 Abhkasian + Central_Greek + Italian_Jewish + Lezgin @ 3.008298
19 Georgian + Georgian + Greek_Thessaly + Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.015269
20 Abhkasian + Armenian + Cyprian + Hungarian @ 3.031418

Done.


MDLP K23b Oracle Rev 2014 Sep 16

Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent1
Caucasian45.652
European_Hunters_Gatherers13.293
South_Central_Asian12.804
Near_East12.145
European_Early_Farmers11.826
North_African1.217
Melano_Polynesian1.03

Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Azov_Greek_ @ 6.396816
2 Turk_Istanbul_ @ 7.845534
3 Crimean_Tatar_Coast_ @ 8.510019
4 Turk_ @ 9.324220
5 Georgian_Jew_ @ 9.986519
6 Turk_Aydin_ @ 10.431210
7 Turk_Balikesir_ @ 11.287224
8 Turk_Kayseri_ @ 11.471070
9 Cretan_ @ 11.724682
10 Greek_Smyrna_ @ 12.665613
11 Turk_Adana_ @ 12.825653
12 Greek_Macedonia_ @ 13.058909
13 Greek_ @ 13.168218
14 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ @ 13.768489
15 Armenian_ @ 13.825447
16 Greek_Athens_ @ 13.844134
17 Greek_Islands_ @ 14.487275
18 Italian_South_ @ 14.713580
19 Assyrian_Iraqi_ @ 14.859200
20 Greek_Phokaia_ @ 14.942644

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Assyrian_Arzni_ +50% Gagauz_ @ 3.572555


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Armenian_ +25% Lebanese_Druze_ +25% Slovenian_ @ 2.267985


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++
1 Armenian_ + Armenian_ + Lebanese_Druze_ + Slovenian_ @ 2.267985
2 Armenian_ + Armenian_ + Iraqi_Jew_ + Slovenian_ @ 2.351838
3 Armenian_ + Armenian_ + Hungarian_ + Lebanese_Druze_ @ 2.388868
4 Armenian_ + Armenian_ + Hungarian_Budapest_ + Lebanese_Druze_ @ 2.413494
5 Armenian_ + Armenian_ + Druze_ + Slovenian_ @ 2.427147
6 Armenian_ + Iraqi_Jew_ + North_German_ + Turk_Trabzon_ @ 2.432490
7 Armenian_ + Armenian_ + Hungarian_ + Iraqi_Jew_ @ 2.437151
8 Croat_BH_ + Greek_Smyrna_ + Iraqi_Jew_ + Kakheti_ @ 2.455466
9 Armenian_Yerevan_ + Iraqi_Jew_ + North_German_ + Turk_Trabzon_ @ 2.470759
10 Armenian_ + Armenian_Yerevan_ + Lebanese_Druze_ + Slovenian_ @ 2.477766
11 Armenian_Yerevan_ + Assyrian_Arzni_ + Croat_BH_ + Greek_Smyrna_ @ 2.492383
12 Armenian_ + Iraqi_Jew_ + Slovenian_ + Turk_Trabzon_ @ 2.509398
13 Armenian_ + Armenian_Yerevan_ + Croat_BH_ + Cypriot_ @ 2.510813
14 Armenian_ + Armenian_ + Croat_ + Iraqi_Jew_ @ 2.543123
15 Armenian_ + Armenian_ + Croat_BH_ + Iraqi_Jew_ @ 2.543406
16 Armenian_ + Austrian_ + Iraqi_Jew_ + Turk_Trabzon_ @ 2.543798
17 Armenian_ + Armenian_ + Druze_ + Hungarian_ @ 2.544716
18 Armenian_ + Armenian_ + Croat_BH_ + Lebanese_Druze_ @ 2.560394
19 Armenian_Yerevan_ + Armenian_Yerevan_ + Croat_BH_ + Cypriot_ @ 2.561988
20 Armenian_ + Armenian_ + Czech_ + Lebanese_Druze_ @ 2.563687

Done.

[catgeorge]

Interesting - are both your parents from Pontus?

[Roman-Anatolian]

Yes, and i want you guys to explain a little bit what do you see because i don't understand much about it.

[catgeorge]

Yes, and i want you guys to explain a little bit what do you see because i don't understand much about it.

Nothing fancy about it based where your parents are from very high West Asian and East Mediterranean. More Greek shifted than Armenians and Georgians; Greek_Azov are old Greek stock living in the Crimea

[Konstantinos]

Hi! Can you specify the exact places in Pontus your ancestry is from? Because if you are 100% Pontic Greek your results are very refreshing news! I will also explain you more.

[Tauromachos]

I like this one
12 Armenian_ + Iraqi_Jew_ + Slovenian_ + Turk_Trabzon_ @ 2.509398

This one is also cool
14 Armenian_ + Armenian_ + Croat_ + Iraqi_Jew_ @ 2.543123

[Roman-Anatolian]

From villages between Kerasounta and Nikopoli (Garasari) and from mother's side east region Trabzon

[Roman-Anatolian]

Hi! Can you specify the exact places in Pontus your ancestry is from? Because if you are 100% Pontic Greek your results are very refreshing news! I will also explain you more.

From villages between Kerasounta and Nikopoli (Garasari) and from my mother's side east region Trabzon

[Konstantinos]

From villages between Kerasounta and Nikopoli (Garasari) and from mother's side east region Trabzon

Ok here me out.

Greeks have a lot of variety. Pontic Greeks are the most outlying in the sense that they are the closest to Lazs and Armenians but they are distinct from them in the sense that they show "Mediterranean" shift. This situation is to be expected since Pontus is the farthest Greek region from the core and doesn't have land borders with any other Greek region, so the initial Greek colonizers couldn't be a lot since they have to have traveled by sea(as we also know through history). These colonizers quickly Hellenized the local population and developed the modern Pontic Greek profile.

Now so far the Pontic Greek results that floated around were much closer to Lazs and Armenians than yours. Essentially that means you show much more Mainland Greek shift. Since genetics is underdeveloped in Greece most results are provided by "barbarians" It is my personal opinion(and only that, so I may well be wrong) that there's a big agenda towards Greeks. Your results are illuminating in that they are both very Mainland Greek shifted and at the same time show a Steppe affinity that is supposed to have been mostly introduced to Greeks through Slavic invasions. I have my strong doubts about that and am long in search of Asia Minor, and other non-core Greek areas' results to investigate that.

Be prepared to here stories how a "Slavic-influenced Mainlander Greek village" decided to migrate to your Pontic Greek villages and influence your results. If you have any questions I'm very happy to answer.

[Maintenance]

Nice results, welcome to the forum