Croat K13 regional (and national) averages

[Jana]

We will replace it if a better one is available. Maybe some academic samples.

That one is from academic samples if I am not mistaken and it is pretty decent.

[Jana]

My criteria for sample collection is as following:

1) Needs to be 7/8 Croat by ancestry minimum, highest foreign input I accept is 1/8 and it must be from historical minority in the region
2) all 4 grandparents need to be born in the region to be included to specific regional average, otherwise it will only be in general average

[Mingle]

Distance to: ~
1.55775479 Hungarians
4.77324837 Croat
6.13815119 Bosnian
7.49959999 R.Moldova_Centre+North
8.94271212 HUN_Szekely
8.94858089 Sorb_Lusatia
9.34048179 German
9.86327025 Serb
10.00658283 Ukrainian
12.43364790 Rus_Smolensk
12.66657807 PL_Mazovia
13.46286374 Rus_Kostroma
13.69754358 Montenegrin
15.07594773 Rus_Tver
15.20227615 Southwest_Rus
16.00184677 Macedonian
16.73901431 Mixed_Germanic
16.99844110 Pomak
17.06911245 Romanians
17.63055870 Dutch

Target: ~
Distance: 1.3827% / 1.38270771 | ADC: 1x
95.8 Hungarians
4.2 Croat

Target: ~
Distance: 1.0266% / 1.02657137 | ADC: 0.5x
83.8 Hungarians
15.4 Croat
0.8 German

Target: ~
Distance: 0.6306% / 0.63056815 | ADC: 0.25x
79.8 Hungarians
11.6 Croat
4.8 German
3.2 HUN_Szekely
0.4 Saudis
0.2 Ket

Maybe Dushan was right saying the Croat average on Dodecad is a bit too Southern. But I cannot correct it myself even if that's the case.

Well it was always known that we have a shortage of North Croats. They're samples we've been looking for a while now. So far, the only full North Croats I've seen are ph2ter and his family.

But even if we get several more full North Croats, they will always be very underrepresented since South Croats are MUCH more likely to take DNA tests. The only way for them to be properly represented is if we take their average and multiply it by their percentage within Croatia's population and then do the same thing with the other subgroups.

[Jana]

Well it was always known that we have a shortage of North Croats. They're samples we've been looking for a while now. So far, the only full North Croats I've seen are ph2ter and his family.

But even if we get several more full North Croats, they will always be very underrepresented since South Croats are MUCH more likely to take DNA tests. The only way for them to be properly represented is if we take their average and multiply it by their percentage within Croatia's population and then do the same thing with the other subgroups.

Depends what you define as northern Croatia. To me everyone with deep ancestry north of Sava river is a northern Croat.
By that I mean persons who have no ancestry south from Sava river at all (that river was border or Roman provinces of Panonnia and Dalmatia also)

I did weighted Croatian average before, not exactly in percentages but close to it. It's excellent idea.

[Dušan]

Those Czech and Slovaks are assimilated to Croat body now?

Yes.

It is not well known, but completly true fact that in the begining of the 20th century 32% of population of todays Croatia were non-Croats.



Croats during the ww2 and last war in 90s killed and expelled most of Serbs, expelled all of Italians of Istria, Fiume (Rijeka) and Zara (Zadar), as well as expelled all Germans from eastern Slavonia and Baranja. Rest of minorities, Czechs, Slovaks and Hungarians were agressively assimilated.

For example, Pula, Fiume and Zara were majority Italian, while Osijek in Slavonia were majority ethnic German city, according to censuses 1900 and 1910.

[Jana]

Yes.

It is not well known, but completly true fact that in the begining of the 20th century 32% of population of todays Croatia were non-Croats.



Croats during the ww2 and last war in 90s killed and expelled most of Serbs, expelled all of Italians of Istria, Fiume (Rijeka) and Zara (Zadar), as well as expelled all Germans from eastern Slavonia and Baranja. Rest of minorities, Czechs, Slovaks and Hungarians were agressively assimilated.

For example, Pula, Fiume and Zara were majority Italian, while Osijek in Slavonia were majority ethnic German city, according to censuses 1900 and 1910.

Please don't spread bullshit, no offense.
Croats didn't expel Germans lol,it was mostly Serb communists who did that and it was mostly Serb dinaric colonists who moved to German houses.
Why would Croats expel Germans, our WW2 allies? Complete nonsense.

There was no any agressive assimilation of Czechs and Slovaks either,it is total lie and they assimilated naturally due to being both Slavic and Catholic.
If you have any proof for your claims post it than.

Croatia never had any official croatisation policy like Italy and yes Serbia had.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbianisation

We never did what you did in Macedonia or Kosvo or what Italians did in Istria.

[Jana]

Also let's not forget colonisation of Croatian Slavonia WW1 Serbian soldiers from Salonica front or colonisation of Croatian coastal cities with JNA Serbian/Montenegrin personnel after WW2.
1/3 of my block in Rijeka consists of ''deca vojnih lica'' from east. You always came to us, never the opposite.

[Lucas]

There was no any agressive assimilation of Czechs and Slovaks either,it is total lie and they assimilated naturally due to being both Slavic and Catholic.

How many (more or less) Czechs and Slovak descendants could live now as Croats (not those 10 000 which still feel their ethnicity)? It is tiny percent in Slavonia or 1/10 or more?

[Jana]

How many (more or less) Czechs and Slovak descendants could live now as Croats (not those 10 000 which still feel their ethnicity)? It is tiny percent in Slavonia or 1/10 or more?

It is much more for sure. Probably 100-200 000 Croats have partial Czech background. Slovak much less.
Slavonia received much more Czech than Slovaks, unlike Vojvodina in northern Serbia that received mainly Slovaks.

You can also find Czech surnames easily in bigger cities outside Slavonia (like Zagreb or Rijeka). User Hrvoje has partly Czech roots from his Bosnian Croat side (NE Bosnia near Slavonia)

[Dušan]

Please don't spread bullshit, no offense.
Croats didn't expel Germans lol,it was mostly Serb communists who did that and it was mostly Serb dinaric colonists who moved to German houses.
Why would Croats expel Germans, our WW2 allies? Complete nonsense.

There was no any agressive assimilation of Czechs and Slovaks either,it is total lie and they assimilated naturally due to being both Slavic and Catholic.
If you have any proof for your claims post it than.

Croatia never had any official croatisation policy like Italy and yes Serbia had.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbianisation

We never did what you did in Macedonia or Kosvo or what Italians did in Istria.

Serb communists? It was Croat Josip Broz Tito who was the head of Yugoslavia, and who made all desicions.

And no, most of former German setllements in eastern Slavonia and Baranya, were settled by Croats.
Large German villages were Jarmina and Neudorf near Vinkovci, completly settled my Croatian immigrants, as well as Retfala and Josipovac near Osijek.

There are several villages that were partly Croatian partly German, such as Sotin, Lovas, Ilača, Nijemci, near border with Serbia, who became completly Croatian after expulsion of Germans. No Serbs settled there.

Not to mention Baranya, where in towns Beli Manastir (Pelmonostor) and Darda only Serbs, Germans and Hungarians lived, and than Croats replaced Germans.
Villages in Baranya, that where completly German - Čeminac, Grabovac, Kozarac and Petlovac, now are completly Croatian.

Assimilation of Czechs was not voluntary, but result of Croatocentric educational system. Serbia preserve all its ethnic minorities unlike xenophobic Croatia.