Serbian Autosomal DNA

[vbnetkhio]

Thank you for posting. I highly believe that I have roots in this region.


By the way, having such an amount of Siberian and two other components should indicate something. Do you know the haplogroup?

6 Siberian 2.59
9 East_Asian 0.27
10 South_Asian 0.27

E-V13.

local legends say Shopi have origins from Cumans or Pechenegs, what do you think?

[CommonSense]

E-V13.

local legends say Shopi have origins from Cumans or Pechenegs, what do you think?

He's E-V22 actually, an extremely rare haplogroup.

[vbnetkhio]

He's E-V22 actually, an extremely rare haplogroup.

he is? his gedmatch profile says E-V13

[CommonSense]

he is? his gedmatch profile says E-V13

It must be a typo or a leftover from before he found out his specific haplogroup:



Btw, on forum.krstarica his username is 'Clint'. He used to comment on genetics-related topics, mentioning his own Y-DNA as well.

[Kaspias]

E-V13.

local legends say Shopi have origins from Cumans or Pechenegs, what do you think?

I'm aware of it. I don't know what is the source of this claim and couldn't find enough amount of samples to investigate it. Even if it is true;

1- Weren't the actual descendants of Pecheneks/Cumans converted to Turkish when Ottomans came?
2- By thinking they stayed in the region until now, would their "alien" admixture be visible?

I have several researches on SE Serbia on Turkish(Ottoman) sources. Registers show that there is a legit Turkic settlement in the region. For example, in 1500, 75% of Nis is Muslim, around 50% is ethnic Turk and the rest is local converts. For Turkic's, there is three community:

1- Today's Balkan Turks who are actually from Southern Balkans, later migrated to North as they are given lands from there.
2- Colonizator Ottoman Turk population and dervishes, who migrated from Anatolia to Turkify region.
3- Tatars expelled from Anatolia(Tokat) to the region.

Here, the first two are almost certain that went back as Ottomans lost their lands. What if Tatars were remained and mixed there?

[vbnetkhio]

I'm aware of it. I don't know what is the source of this claim and couldn't find enough amount of samples to investigate it. Even if it is true;

1- Weren't the actual descendants of Pecheneks/Cumans converted to Turkish when Ottomans came?
2- By thinking they stayed in the region until now, would their "alien" admixture be visible?

I have several researches on SE Serbia on Turkish(Ottoman) sources. Registers show that there is a legit Turkic settlement in the region. For example, in 1500, 75% of Nis is Muslim, around 50% is ethnic Turk and the rest is local converts. For Turkic's, there is three community:

1- Today's Balkan Turks who are actually from Southern Balkans, later migrated to North as they are given lands from there.
2- Colonizator Ottoman Turk population and dervishes, who migrated from Anatolia to Turkify region.
3- Tatars expelled from Anatolia(Tokat) to the region.

Here, the first two are almost certain that went back as Ottomans lost their lands. What if Tatars were remained and mixed there?

yeah, i think Pechenegs and Cumans left 0-3% Autosomal influence and maybe some weird Q or N subclade here and there.

as for the Tatars, such a population would hardly be accepted by rural Slavic populations. is there any indication that this Q subclade is specifically Tatar ,and not from some other Asian people?

[Kaspias]

yeah, i think Pechenegs and Cumans left 0-3% Autosomal influence and maybe some weird Q or N subclade here and there.

as for the Tatars, such a population would hardly be accepted by rural Slavic populations. is there any indication that this Q subclade is specifically Tatar ,and not from some other Asian people?

0-3% Eastern influence on autosomal would be equal to a total 10% influence by considering Cuman/Pecheneks was carrying around 30% East Eurasian. I also think we can catch it with current data if we run an updated K13 spreadsheet in nMonte as K=100. I checked his other gedmatch results today and was able to catch 91% Romanian + 9% Chuvash - 93% Romanian + 7% Altaian in one calculator.

Confirmed Cuman clade is Q-L713(also found in Serbia, yet in Vojvodina.) Destiny of L330 is not much known. It appears to be concentrated on Altai among Turkic/Yeniseian/Mongol(some specific tribes) and their descendants migrated to further west.(L332 in Hungary, L330 in Siberian Tatars, Khanty-Mansi, Lithuanian Tatars) There are 3 L330 individuals from the Balkans, one appears to be from Ioannina as a Romaniote Jew, one is that guy from Gulijan, and the other is I.

But this is a coincidence, because my suspicion about my roots there was on my maternal line, not paternal.

[Dušan]

K13 is overrated. K10 is way better.

Using 2 populations approximation
1 50% Russia_Smolensk345 + 50% GreeceNE11 @ 0.582
2 50% Russia_Smolensk339 + 50% GreeceCentral5 @ 0.608
3 50% GreeceMacedonia3 + 50% GermanA5 @ 0.650
4 50% Bosnian_4 + 50% Serbian_Serbia16 @ 0.664
5 50% Russia_Smolensk349 + 50% GreeceCentral6 @ 0.678
6 50% GreeceNE144 + 50% Belarusian4 @ 0.689
7 50% Macedonian12 + 50% Slovakia77 @ 0.703
8 50% Kosovo_Albanian11 + 50% Pole_Poland3 @ 0.711
9 50% RussianKursk9 + 50% Macedonian2 @ 0.733
10 50% RussianVoronez107 + 50% Kosovo_Albanian7 @ 0.741
11 50% Russia_Smolensk312 + 50% Albanian_ALB230 @ 0.743
12 50% Hungary4 + 50% BulgarianF2 @ 0.746
13 50% Kosovo_Albanian16 + 50% Pole_Poland2 @ 0.754
14 50% RussianKursk9 + 50% BulgarianD6 @ 0.773
15 50% Poland142 + 50% Kosovo_Albanian11 @ 0.776
16 50% Albanian_ALB213 + 50% RussianOrjol45 @ 0.780
17 50% Serbian_B-H11 + 50% Serbian_Serbia16 @ 0.797
18 50% Gagauz20 + 50% Czech_NA15727 @ 0.804
19 50% Bosnian_10 + 50% Moldova_North @ 0.808
20 50% Russia_Smolensk345 + 50% Macedonian8 @ 0.820

[Mingle]

Serb from Bosnian Krajina

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.25
2 North_Atlantic 23.01
3 West_Med 16.01
4 East_Med 14.88
5 West_Asian 12.31
6 East_Asian 1.05
7 Red_Sea 0.85
8 Siberian 0.33
9 South_Asian 0.25
10 Amerindian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 5.48
2 Serbian 5.88
3 Romanian 7.01
4 Bulgarian 8.18
5 Croatian 8.47
6 Hungarian 10.54
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.41
8 Austrian 14.42
9 South_Polish 15.36
10 East_German 15.47
11 Ukrainian 15.56
12 Greek_Thessaly 17.17
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 18.35
14 Southwest_Russian 18.38
15 Polish 18.82
16 Russian_Smolensk 20.47
17 West_German 20.51
18 Estonian_Polish 21.12
19 Tatar 21.3
20 North_Italian 21.64

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.7% Bulgarian + 30.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.08
2 66.4% Bulgarian + 33.6% Ukrainian @ 2.51
3 72.3% Bulgarian + 27.7% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.51
4 70.1% Bulgarian + 29.9% Southwest_Russian @ 2.55
5 77% Bulgarian + 23% Lithuanian @ 2.58
6 64.6% Bulgarian + 35.4% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.62
7 61.7% Moldavian + 38.3% Bulgarian @ 2.65
8 70.8% Bulgarian + 29.2% Polish @ 2.83
9 60.8% Ukrainian + 39.2% Central_Greek @ 2.85
10 73.2% Bulgarian + 26.8% Estonian_Polish @ 2.85
11 84.4% Croatian + 15.6% Armenian @ 2.88
12 66.3% Bulgarian + 33.7% South_Polish @ 2.9
13 74% Romanian + 26% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.9
14 84.4% Croatian + 15.6% Assyrian @ 2.93
15 89.2% Moldavian + 10.8% Cyprian @ 2.96
16 73.9% Bulgarian + 26.1% Belorussian @ 2.98
17 51% Bulgarian + 49% Croatian @ 2.99
18 84.4% Croatian + 15.6% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.05
19 82.9% Croatian + 17.1% Cyprian @ 3.06
20 51.7% Greek_Thessaly + 48.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.07

[Leto]

Serb from Bosnian Krajina

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.25
2 North_Atlantic 23.01
3 West_Med 16.01
4 East_Med 14.88
5 West_Asian 12.31
6 East_Asian 1.05
7 Red_Sea 0.85
8 Siberian 0.33
9 South_Asian 0.25
10 Amerindian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 5.48
2 Serbian 5.88
3 Romanian 7.01
4 Bulgarian 8.18
5 Croatian 8.47
6 Hungarian 10.54
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.41
8 Austrian 14.42
9 South_Polish 15.36
10 East_German 15.47
11 Ukrainian 15.56
12 Greek_Thessaly 17.17
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 18.35
14 Southwest_Russian 18.38
15 Polish 18.82
16 Russian_Smolensk 20.47
17 West_German 20.51
18 Estonian_Polish 21.12
19 Tatar 21.3
20 North_Italian 21.64

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.7% Bulgarian + 30.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.08
2 66.4% Bulgarian + 33.6% Ukrainian @ 2.51
3 72.3% Bulgarian + 27.7% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.51
4 70.1% Bulgarian + 29.9% Southwest_Russian @ 2.55
5 77% Bulgarian + 23% Lithuanian @ 2.58
6 64.6% Bulgarian + 35.4% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.62
7 61.7% Moldavian + 38.3% Bulgarian @ 2.65
8 70.8% Bulgarian + 29.2% Polish @ 2.83
9 60.8% Ukrainian + 39.2% Central_Greek @ 2.85
10 73.2% Bulgarian + 26.8% Estonian_Polish @ 2.85
11 84.4% Croatian + 15.6% Armenian @ 2.88
12 66.3% Bulgarian + 33.7% South_Polish @ 2.9
13 74% Romanian + 26% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.9
14 84.4% Croatian + 15.6% Assyrian @ 2.93
15 89.2% Moldavian + 10.8% Cyprian @ 2.96
16 73.9% Bulgarian + 26.1% Belorussian @ 2.98
17 51% Bulgarian + 49% Croatian @ 2.99
18 84.4% Croatian + 15.6% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.05
19 82.9% Croatian + 17.1% Cyprian @ 3.06
20 51.7% Greek_Thessaly + 48.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.07

Post his Dodecad K12b components for Vahaduo.