Y-DNA of Iberia

[Nassbean]

Obviously not entirely because I2 and G2 still exist. H as Y-DNA never heard of it. Seems like that study wasn't made by real scientists but by tabloid reporters if we look at the sensationalist headline.

It was entirely replaced. The I2 and G2 you're talking about came later with other waves of migration. And here for H : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_H_(Y-DNA)

and no it was made by real scientists : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6436108/

[Nassbean]

I ask you (and everyone) if you know this, because EEF was primarily G2a, but they also had E1b1 to a lesser extent. That might be the explanation of E-M78 in Iberia.

Show me one neolithic sample of Iberia with E1b1. Moreover EEF were invaders not "iberians" neither local people

[Rocinante]

Show me one neolithic sample of Iberia with E1b1. Moreover EEF were invaders not "iberians" neither local people

I don't know if there are ancient samples with E1b in Iberia, but it's a fact that EEF carried it. The first iberians were WHG and after that EEF related, I don't know why EEF should be considered invaders.

[Daos777]

I ask you (and everyone) if you know this, because EEF was primarily G2a, but they also had E1b1 to a lesser extent. That might be the explanation of E-M78 in Iberia.

That theory is pretty much debunked or on hold until E-V13 ancestor is found in levant or Anatolia and among EEF. As of now E-M78 in Iberia or anywhere in Europe can be explained by earlier migrations from Iberomaurusian or Capsian fisherman crossing med sea.


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[Nassbean]

I don't know if there are ancient samples with E1b in Iberia, but it's a fact that EEF carried it. The first iberians were WHG and after that EEF related, I don't know why EEF should be considered invaders.

I simply told you based on the samples we have and I was more focusing on recent eras

[Rocinante]

Interesting. Tomorrow I'm uploading something interesting of the aDNA found in Iberia by periods.

[Rocinante]

Chalcolithic:



Bell Beaker Period:



Early Bronze Age:



Middle Bronze Age:



Late Bronze Age:



Iron Age:

[Rocinante]

This proves that E1b in Iberia might be mostly from EEF, at least the M78 branch.

The R1b-U152 is from Bell Beakers and not mostly from Roman Period.

Seems to be that the oldest J2 found was from the Iron Age, might be from Roman Period.

[Rocinante]

Profesor Conrado Martinez Cadenas (Universitat Jaume I), dando una charla sobre las migraciones historicas en España y Europa, la historia del cromosoma Y, y los haplogrupos en España:

[Rocinante]

De hecho.. Los íberos parecen tener ciertos rasgos mongoloides si te das cuenta, como la Dama de Elche o entre otras esculturas..

No creo que la Dama de Elche parezca mongoloide, mas bien todo lo contrario, yo creo que tenia los ojos bastante redondos, muy mediterraneos, y tendria mucho sentido dado que los iberos eran, mas o menos, como los sardos de hoy en dia, o sea, extremadamente mediterraneos.