Y-DNA of Iberia

[Aren]

I'm agree.
In my opinion DF27 is Celtiberian.
It's so curious, all R1b-P312 are Celtic Haplogroups.

R1b-L21
R1b-U152
R1b-DF27

All celtic.

DF27 is far too old to be Celtiberian. Subclades of DF27 found in Scandinavia and other places in NW Europe were brought there by Bell-Beakers and have little to do with later Iberian migrations.

And also there are Germanic-Norse subclades of P312 that peak in southern Scandinavia. It's not as black and white as some here might believe.

[Cristiano viejo]

Bien chicos, ahorradme toda la retahíla de páginas... ¿somos blancos o qué?

[Rocinante]

Bien chicos, ahorradme toda la retahíla de páginas... ¿somos blancos o qué?

Si, pero tampoco pasa nada por echarle un ojo.

[Defcon2]

Bien chicos, ahorradme toda la retahíla de páginas... ¿somos blancos o qué?

Somos blancos... con matices

[Cristiano viejo]

Somos blancos... con matices

Vaya por Dios...

[Rocinante]

DF27 is far too old to be Celtiberian. Subclades of DF27 found in Scandinavia and other places in NW Europe were brought there by Bell-Beakers and have little to do with later Iberian migrations.

And also there are Germanic-Norse subclades of P312 that peak in southern Scandinavia. It's not as black and white as some here might believe.

The Z195 is celtiberian, DF27 is just celtic. Germanic clades of the P312 seems to be DF19 and L238.

[Rocinante]

Interesante mapa de los haplogrupos en Europa en la época de la expansion de los Bell Beakers:



Ya veo porque los sardos son tan oscuritos como dududud jejejeje.

[Ruderico]

The Z195 is celtiberian, DF27 is just celtic. Germanic clades of the P312 seems to be DF19 and L238.

DF27 is 4500 years old, it predates celtic-speakers by at least one full millennium

[Rocinante]

DF27 is 4500 years old, it predates celtic-speakers by at least one full millennium

I know, it is Bell Beaker and expanded with them.

[Ruderico]

Right, so it's proto-Italo-Celtic at the very best, but possibly not even that