Dodecad k12b West, Central & South Asian results Vol. 2

[Bender1999]

Muhacir populatian of Turkey must be at least 25% in my knowledge. Most of them Balkan Turks and Tatars, then Circissians, with numerous Bosnian, Crete etc...

[Sora]

I have a somewhat different opinion but let's not start a debate right here. I can only tell you that more diversity means less cohesion and anyway most people will use whatever language that is the most useful where they live. Practicality is more important for them than anything else.

I must agree about this. They can use their language at home or close backgrounds but must know the language of the state. Also there should be schools in minority languages which are of the state in the places where minority laguages are spoken(f.ex; Kurdish schools in Eastern provinces or Laz schools in Northeast provinces) but they must be thought the state's official language at those schools. So the Turkish goverment can avoid the assimilation and the separatism. I wish this was in practice. Also many developing countries do that.

[Sora]

Turk from Antalya(seems to have East Black Sea ancestry)

Gedrosia: 11.75 Pct
Siberian: 1.41 Pct
Northwest_African: 1.23 Pct
Southeast_Asian: 0.90 Pct
Atlantic_Med: 14.63 Pct
North_European: 9.70 Pct
South_Asian: 1.26 Pct
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 13.98
East_Asian: 3.66
Caucasus: 41.47
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Turk_Antalya
5.87103909 Turk_Central_East
6.31799019 Turk_Central_West
7.12165009 Turk_Anatolia
7.49900660 Turk_West_BlackSea
7.69961038 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
8.11858362 Turk_South
8.49224352 Turk_Southeast
9.21896415 Greek_Cappadocia
9.37408129 Turk_East
9.60308804 Turk_Southwest
10.08791356 Nusayri_Turkey
10.88048253 Azerbaijani_Turkey
11.15370342 Greek_Crete
11.38964881 Azerbaijani
11.56817617 Turk_Northwest
11.98005008 Armenian_East
12.72338791 Armenian_West
12.76644821 Azerbaijani_Iran
13.07321307 Lebanese
13.54715468 Turkmen_Iraq
13.69221312 Yoruk
13.84326190 Cypriots
14.12214219 Uzbekistan_Jews
14.20733613 Zaza
14.42857235 Crimean_Tatar_Coast


Target: Turk_Antalya
Distance: 1.7319% / 1.73193129 | ADC: 0.25x
58.0 Turk_Central_East
15.0 Cypriots
11.0 Greek_Crete
6.4 Turk_West_BlackSea
5.0 Samaritians
4.0 Crimean_Tatar_Coast
0.6 Chinese


Target: Turk_Antalya
Distance: 0.1306% / 0.13063269
5.6 Samaritians
5.4 Azerbaijan_Jews
5.0 Cypriots
4.6 Laz
4.4 Iranian_Jews
4.0 Ashkenazi
3.6 Georgian_Imereti
3.4 Georgia_Jews
3.4 Greek
3.2 Greek_Cappadocia
3.0 Iraq_Jews
3.0 Turk_East_Black_Sea
3.0 Turk_West_BlackSea
2.6 Italy_Romagna
2.4 Saudis
2.2 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
2.0 Albanian_Kosovo
2.0 Georgian_Svan
2.0 Greek_Crete
1.8 Armenian_East
1.8 Turk_Ahiska
1.6 Greek_Pontus
1.4 Azerbaijani_Turkey
1.4 Bulgarian
1.4 Japanese
1.2 Iranian
1.2 Romanians
1.2 Sardinian
1.0 Adygei
1.0 Georgian_Adjara
1.0 Italy_Abruzzo
1.0 Italy_Lazio
1.0 Italy_Liguria
1.0 North_Ossetians
1.0 Yoruk
0.8 Kumyks
0.6 Balkan_Gypsy
0.6 Miaozu
0.6 Turk_East
0.4 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
0.4 Balkar
0.4 Bosnian
0.4 CHB30
0.4 Crimean_Tatar_Coast
0.4 Gagauz
0.4 Hemshin
0.4 Hungarians
0.4 Italy_FriuliVG
0.4 Montenegrin
0.4 Ossetian
0.4 Talysh_Azerbaijan
0.4 Turk_Romania
0.4 Uygur
0.4 Xibo
0.4 Yemen_Jews

[Sora]

Azeri from Kars

Gedrosia: 18.85 Pct
Siberian: 4.72 Pct
Northwest_African: 0.24 Pct
Southeast_Asian: 1.59 Pct
Atlantic_Med: 10.31 Pct
North_European: 5.51 Pct
South_Asian: 2.20 Pct
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 12.02
East_Asian: 4.96
Caucasus: 39.59
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Kars_Azeri
4.43681192 Azerbaijani_Turkey
4.71448831 Turk_Southeast
5.31741479 Azerbaijani
5.66619802 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.73174494 Turk_Central_East
6.26992823 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
6.42418866 Turk_South
7.66726157 Turk_Anatolia
7.97506113 Turk_Central_West
8.10519586 Turkmen_Iraq
8.19457137 Turk_East
8.40370157 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.58640786 Zaza
9.88636940 Talysh_Azerbaijan
9.99892494 Kurd_Sorani
10.46937916 Turk_Southwest
10.70786160 Turk_West_BlackSea
11.39231759 Uzbekistan_Jews
11.40694964 Yoruk
11.84596134 Lur_Iran
12.12901068 Kurd_KAZ
12.26192889 Kurd
12.32229281 Iranian
12.63205842 Kurds
12.81764409 Armenian_East


61.6 Azerbaijani_Turkey
16.0 Assyrian
14.8 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
2.0 Oroqen
1.6 Lur_Iran
1.2 Burmanese
1.0 Turk_Southeast
0.8 Sardinian
0.6 Yakut
0.4 Turkmen_Iraq

His/Her mom

Gedrosia: 21.52 Pct
Siberian: 3.03 Pct
Northwest_African: 0.62 Pct
Southeast_Asian: 0.52 Pct
Atlantic_Med: 9.94 Pct
North_European: 6.74 Pct
South_Asian: 1.53 Pct
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 13.53 Pct
East_Asian: 4.15 Pct
Caucasus: 38.42 Pct
Sub_Saharan: 0.00


Distance to: Kars_Azeri_Mom
3.30564668 Azerbaijani_Iran
3.31466439 Azerbaijani
3.87860800 Azerbaijani_Turkey
4.20315358 Turk_Southeast
5.13516309 Turkmen_Iraq
5.27402124 Kurd_Kurmanji
6.08945810 Zaza
6.89437452 Kurd_Sorani
7.30855663 Turk_Central_East
7.64117792 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.92153394 Turk_South
8.77610962 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
8.84714078 Turk_East
9.12480685 Lur_Iran
9.16522777 Turk_Anatolia
9.22371400 Turk_Central_West
9.26272098 Kurd
9.54126826 Kurd_KAZ
9.75684375 Kurds
9.80132644 Iranian
10.20541033 Iranian_Fars
10.42871037 Uzbekistan_Jews
11.75857985 Turk_Southwest
11.88999579 Turk_West_BlackSea
11.89218231 Iranians


34.8 Azerbaijani_Turkey
29.2 Turkmen_Iraq
16.0 Turk_Southeast
12.2 Kurd
5.0 Azerbaijani
1.0 Daur
1.0 Sardinian
0.8 Mongol

[Sora]

Turk from Adana (an academic sample)

Gedrosia: 17.47
Siberian: 4.95
Northwest_African: 2.5
Southeast_Asian: 0.58
Atlantic_Med: 10.83
North_European: 8.86
South Asian: 6.2
East African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 8.1
East_Asian: 6.23
Caucasus: 32.56
Sub_Saharan: 1.72

Distance to: Turk_Adana
6.89820266 Yoruk
8.25284799 Turk_South
8.50647988 Turk_Southwest
8.97856336 Turk_Anatolia
9.46696889 Turk_Central_West
9.79381948 Turk_Southeast
9.86572856 Azerbaijani
9.92425312 Turk_Northwest
9.94634104 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.31286575 Turk_West_BlackSea
10.52134022 Turk_Central_East
10.59710338 Azerbaijani_Turkey
10.96855050 Azerbaijani_Iran
11.19746400 Turkmen_Iran
11.57920550 Iran_Khorasan
13.54839105 Turkmens
14.21123147 Kurd_Kurmanji
14.44473260 Turkmen_Iraq
14.60103421 Iran_Central_East
14.86822787 Iranian_Fars
15.11593861 Kurd_Sorani
15.45172159 Zaza
15.71441377 Talysh_Azerbaijan
16.02670896 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
16.06028954 Turk_East


Target: Turk_Adana
Distance: 1.5820% / 1.58204598 | ADC: 0.25x
62.8 Yoruk
15.6 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.8 Bnei_Menashe_Jews
5.8 Balkan_Gypsy
5.8 Iran_Khorasan
1.6 Parsi_India
1.0 Mandenka
0.6 Morocco_Jews

[Bender1999]

Turk from Adana (an academic sample)

Gedrosia: 17.47
Siberian: 4.95
Northwest_African: 2.5
Southeast_Asian: 0.58
Atlantic_Med: 10.83
North_European: 8.86
South Asian: 6.2
East African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 8.1
East_Asian: 6.23
Caucasus: 32.56
Sub_Saharan: 1.72

Distance to: Turk_Adana
6.89820266 Yoruk
8.25284799 Turk_South
8.50647988 Turk_Southwest
8.97856336 Turk_Anatolia
9.46696889 Turk_Central_West
9.79381948 Turk_Southeast
9.86572856 Azerbaijani
9.92425312 Turk_Northwest
9.94634104 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.31286575 Turk_West_BlackSea
10.52134022 Turk_Central_East
10.59710338 Azerbaijani_Turkey
10.96855050 Azerbaijani_Iran
11.19746400 Turkmen_Iran
11.57920550 Iran_Khorasan
13.54839105 Turkmens
14.21123147 Kurd_Kurmanji
14.44473260 Turkmen_Iraq
14.60103421 Iran_Central_East
14.86822787 Iranian_Fars
15.11593861 Kurd_Sorani
15.45172159 Zaza
15.71441377 Talysh_Azerbaijan
16.02670896 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
16.06028954 Turk_East


Target: Turk_Adana
Distance: 1.5820% / 1.58204598 | ADC: 0.25x
62.8 Yoruk
15.6 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.8 Bnei_Menashe_Jews
5.8 Balkan_Gypsy
5.8 Iran_Khorasan
1.6 Parsi_India
1.0 Mandenka
0.6 Morocco_Jews

Very low SW-Asia, but high NW-Africa and SSA. Weird results sometimes.

Edit: also a bit high south asian

[Sora]

Very low SW-Asia, but high NW-Africa and SSA. Weird results sometimes.

Yes. In Gedmatch oracles, he seems to be at least 70% Turkmen, it's probably due to 6% South Asian. He seems to be a true mix of Oghuz Turkic + Native Anatolian with some Iranic ancestry

[Bender1999]

Yes. In Gedmatch oracles, he seems to be at least 70% Turkmen, it's probably due to 6% South Asian. He seems to be a true mix of Oghuz Turkic + Native Anatolian with some Iranic ancestry

Yes this region (Hatay/Adana) has this kind of results, i would expect more SW-Asian than average turks, but „low“ SW-Asia in the other hand high Nortafrican/SSA. Even my neighbor from Aksaray had more SW-Asian than average Turks.

[Sora]

two types of Uzbeks:

Uzbek 1(43% Mongoloid + 3% South Asian)

Gedrosia: 19.84
Siberian: 17.08
Northwest_African: 0.26
Southeast_Asian: 0.83
Atlantic_Med: 5.1
North_European: 13.21
South_Asian: 3.00
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 2.25
East_Asian: 25.55
Caucasus: 12.9
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Uzbek1
8.07970296 Hazara
9.79028089 Uygur
10.07504342 Uzbek
11.88161184 Karakalpak
14.98541291 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
17.00040294 Kazakh
19.42555791 Kyrgyz
20.86047938 Kyrgyz_Bishkek
21.09822030 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
23.83653708 Bashkir
25.42840931 Tajik_Balanovsky2019
26.54710907 Tajiks
26.59263808 Turkmen_Iran
27.95617463 Turkmens
29.97975317 Altai
30.01389012 Yoruk
30.76114920 Nogais
31.16929419 Pamiri_Tajik
31.62037318 AFG_Tajik
32.25793546 Yagnobi
32.81355817 Mongol
33.62521673 Turk_Northwest
33.95204559 Iran_Khorasan
34.08755491 AFG_Pashtun
34.38366473 Turk_Southwest

Target: Uzbek1
Distance: 3.1559% / 3.15588043 | ADC: 0.25x
60.4 Hazara
17.6 Karakalpak
12.6 Uzbek
7.6 Dargin
0.8 French_Basque
0.6 Altai
0.4 Bashkir

Uzbek 2 (30% Mongoloid + 6% South Asian)

Gedrosia: 15.2
Siberian: 14.75
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 2.44
Atlantic_Med: 0.7
North_European: 20.39
South_Asian: 5.67
East_African: 1.14
Southwest_Asian: 4.41
East_Asian: 13.26
Caucasus: 22.06
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Uzbek2
10.69365700 Uzbek
11.09094225 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
15.47023917 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
17.56416807 Turkmen_Iran
17.70434410 Tajik_Balanovsky2019
17.70718216 Nogais
20.77116029 Turkmens
21.19125291 Yoruk
21.27216726 Karakalpak
22.12843420 Tajiks
22.70753179 Uygur
22.95038780 Bashkir
23.25997420 Yagnobi
23.28348342 Turk_Northwest
23.86504976 Qumuq
24.33487210 Hazara
24.45332902 Pamiri_Tajik
24.47133425 Turk_Southwest
25.09053208 Iran_Khorasan
25.27174905 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
25.98851669 AFG_Tajik
26.10597441 Turk_South
26.65484946 Turk_West_BlackSea
26.77293036 Turk_Anatolia
26.83342132 Tabasaran

51.8 Uzbek
31.8 Nogais
4.4 Chuvash
4.4 Selkup
3.8 Kho
2.2 Saudis
1.0 Savara
0.6 Ethiopians

[Leto]

Uzbek 2 (30% Mongoloid + 6% South Asian)

Gedrosia: 15.2
Siberian: 14.75
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 2.44
Atlantic_Med: 0.7
North_European: 20.39
South_Asian: 5.67
East_African: 1.14
Southwest_Asian: 4.41
East_Asian: 13.26
Caucasus: 22.06
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Uzbek2
10.69365700 Uzbek
11.09094225 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
15.47023917 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
17.56416807 Turkmen_Iran
17.70434410 Tajik_Balanovsky2019
17.70718216 Nogais
20.77116029 Turkmens
21.19125291 Yoruk
21.27216726 Karakalpak
22.12843420 Tajiks
22.70753179 Uygur
22.95038780 Bashkir
23.25997420 Yagnobi
23.28348342 Turk_Northwest
23.86504976 Qumuq
24.33487210 Hazara
24.45332902 Pamiri_Tajik
24.47133425 Turk_Southwest
25.09053208 Iran_Khorasan
25.27174905 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
25.98851669 AFG_Tajik
26.10597441 Turk_South
26.65484946 Turk_West_BlackSea
26.77293036 Turk_Anatolia
26.83342132 Tabasaran

51.8 Uzbek
31.8 Nogais
4.4 Chuvash
4.4 Selkup
3.8 Kho
2.2 Saudis
1.0 Savara
0.6 Ethiopians

This sample is old and atypical. Only 0.7% Atlantic-Med? The Uzbek average is like 4-5% or so. I would avoid it.